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congratulations YouTube you did it you

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wore me down and you sucked me back in I

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have too many subscribers here just to

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walk away entirely especially with no

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alternative that truly stacks up and so

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many copycat channels uploading my shows

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for me anyway but we can't forget the th

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C's account here is on thin ice and so

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the YouTube version of the show has to

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be prefaced with this little PSA only to

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say that episodes that contain the kinds

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of themes that have been regularly

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banned on YouTube will not appear here

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and even with that precaution there's

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already enough in the archive to get us

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removed so remember that the higher side

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chats could be banned or put in timeout

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again at any time and I won't be able to

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tell you guys about it so if you feel

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like it's been too long since you've

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heard from me here on this digital

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dystopian draconian data-mining monster

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of a police state seeking platform your

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first step should be to check the higher

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side chats calm for the latest shows

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alright alright enjoy happy July

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everybody you know I hate to waste your

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time with a news update but this is

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something I gotta tell you up front all

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this month to make sure everybody hears

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it and that is that on the fourth

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anniversary of the Plus system the start

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of August 2018 we are raising the cost

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of admission by a little bit to $8 a

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month I wrote at length about the whys

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and the what's in the house and the THC

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newsletter which we're gonna call the

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higher side Herald from now on and I'm

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gonna be much more consistent with it

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now that it's got a proper name but read

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that on Facebook or Twitter if you

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really want to get into the details but

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here's what you need to know if you're a

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current plus member you don't have to do

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anything if you want to stay onboard the

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commercial-free and action-packed

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two-hour ride we got going on here but

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the price will be going up in August

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if you've prepaid for 6 or 12 months in

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advance that time is covered you're

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already in but the next time the system

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needs to charge you whatever level

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you're at it will charge you at that new

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rate it's a change I've been torching

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myself over for a while and the Plus

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members you have given me some responses

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have all been really understanding and I

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can sigh the sweet sigh of relief but

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I'm sure we'll lose some people too and

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I'm prepared for that but please make

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sure you click on my account from the

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plus menu bar and cancel before August

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1st

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if you must the rest of you first our

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only folks have a little more time to

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get in on the ground floor as they say

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but even at eight dollars I think we're

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still an alright deal when you consider

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what else is out there I hate to do it

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but even Amazon Prime has raised the

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price on me twice in the last few years

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and I think they have a lot more members

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than me and I'm not asking for a key to

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your front door we're still gonna have

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five top notch monthly treks into this

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weird and conspiratorial world with the

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best guests in the business but I'm also

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gonna sweeten the pot with a monthly

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video session of good times and open

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lines where I will sit by the phone for

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you to your people and we're gonna call

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them joint sessions clever right so

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that's the news and THC land I know I

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know say it ain't so but as the guy who

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actually depends on this thing we got

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going here nobody's more anxious and

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nervous about a big change than I am

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so thanks for all the support and for

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not biting my head off too much now

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let's do the damn thing

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the planets puppet-masters on my shirt

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you have a plan which clearly maybe

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something there beyond the realm of man

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till we've thoroughly tested every last

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clothes just did you find the more you

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think you know much you really do

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we know the lying to us just don't know

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what to green where would we be without

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all right higher side chatters it's easy

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to feel disenfranchised with our cog in

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the wheel society and the life-sucking

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empire perched above it draining us

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spiritually emotionally and in every

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other sense of the word stifling our

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innovation and development and filling

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us with the aggressive indoctrination

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that if you seek a path outside of

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normalcy you will no doubt crash and

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burn however we still see some people

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outside of that cage who do seem quite

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different freer happier enlightened in a

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piece and we hear these outliers telling

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us that freedom is only a few brave

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choices away that the universe rewards

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the bold and there isn't much holding us

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back except our own fear it's a tough

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message to adopt but there's no denying

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the persistent call to tear down these

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cubicle walls shatter the shackles of

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the Empire and orient our lives towards

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our true will and the path of the

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esoteric tradition well people today

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we're gonna try and get the message

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through your heads one more time as

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we're joined by two people who know it

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well Neal Kramer and Niles Heckman you

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might remember Neal Kramer from the

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higher side archives as he was here once

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before almost five years ago but for

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those who don't Neal as a philosopher

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teacher and esotericist his work focuses

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on spirituality mysticism and

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metaphysics he is also a faculty member

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at the Omega Institute in New York where

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he teaches spiritual philosophy

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mysticism esoteric studies and

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today in a rare trilogue for this show

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were also joined by Niles Heckman a

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talented filmmaker and documentarian who

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has worked on several projects in line

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with the spiritual path including his

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episodic series shamans of the global

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village together they've just released a

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new documentary entitled transmutation

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written and narrated by Neil and

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directed by Niles transmutation is a

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documentary about becoming your best

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self rejecting the Empire discovering

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the beauty and dangers of the hidden

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spiritual path and hearing from those

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who have transformed themselves by

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walking it to individuals aligned with

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the East

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Aric champions of the divine mysteries

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and the one-two punch of transmutation

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Neil and Niles

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welcome to the higher side thank you

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it's great to be with you thank you hot

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damn dude another triumphant carload

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introduction will transcend all space

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and time appreciate that it's all part

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of my 9 to 5 at this point but thanks

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for being here guys

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I am really hoping we can conspire to

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light the fire under some people so to

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speak because that really does seem to

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be the theme of the film if you're sick

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of the routine

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if the pre-approved path is leaving you

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empty and unfulfilled then look over

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here to this new path of self-discovery

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and true will it might sound scary but

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come on in the water's fine and I think

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that's exactly the kind of message

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people need to hear especially now

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because at least in my opinion not only

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is the conventional rat-race life

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unfulfilled it's also kind of breaking

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down but Neil let me have you tell the

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fine folks at home a bit about the film

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and its usefulness for the

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disenfranchised wella is a film that we

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created over a little while to be

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something of beauty and something of

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substance so whatever your views and

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whatever your personal philosophy and

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politics and you status in life and your

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demographic group whatever you can sweep

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it as a thing of beauty

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and a thing of substance and that was

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really our chief goal instead of just

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trying to get some great doctrine across

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us and jaian manifesto it was very

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simple the ethic behind it was very very

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simple and of course within that we do

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want to share a lot of views about

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society and about normality and about

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individualism versus collectivism and

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all this kind of stuff

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appreciation of beauty and

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philosophically I would say that beauty

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has a relationship with truth so usually

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when you're looking at something

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beautiful or listening to something

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truly beautiful there's a an echo of

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truth in it so we attempted in our own

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type of way to get all our resources

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together in our skill sets which we both

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exercised in various professional fields

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and make a truly independent film that

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would encapsulate those things and as

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the film is really about people who

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leave normal at varying stages some who

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have just begun to do it which you'll

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see when you look some we've been doing

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it for a while and some we've been doing

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and that's what it's about it's saying

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that normal is essentially a false

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construct and what we think of us normal

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is really the reverse it's abnormal

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you know the film is very open it leads

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everybody in whatever stage there are is

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a very welcoming film for the beginner

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but it's also as we'll go on to talk

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about no doubt filled with a lot of

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codes secrets juicy things for the more

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advanced metaphysical human so we wanted

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it to appeal to everybody it you know

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all different stages of development

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what's yours too that you have leaving

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normal what a great term and Niles I'm a

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bit new to your work but there's a real

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synergy to it it seems like

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transmutation shamans of the global

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village terra incognita which explains

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the hidden landscape of the mind itself

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tell us a bit about your body of work in

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the themes that seem to weave really

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through all of it yeah well you know in

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the perilous land of personal

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development I found in recent years that

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I get great benefit from using my

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creative projects as the vehicles for

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learning and internal transformation and

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of course we'll talk more about

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transmutation as well but you know

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having worked in Hollywood on big-budget

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movies as well as game cinematics and

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high-end commercials I was ultimately

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doing technician work being demonstrably

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underutilized within that industry right

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just like many of our slate jobs reduce

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these divine beings of excellence into

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compartmentalized worker robots you know

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not to mention the fact that you're in

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this inevitable corporate area of

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hyper-competitiveness and

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ladder climbing and egos which

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especially in entertainment fields are

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very low resonance and you know result

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in people that don't really have that

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much internal development deciding what

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projects get created thus those projects

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have little to no underlying

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significance in terms of you know real

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novelty or creativity and you know

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they're not always but usually these

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kind of steaming turds wrapped in shiny

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exterior all sparkly wrapped superficial

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miss

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what's under the hood is not really

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there but it has a beauty and an

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excellence to it on the outside it's

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kind of like the baby pool right it's

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very shallow so I wanted to start

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creating things that were better than

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that and I knew that I had to do that

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from outside the system so you know

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interesting enough I was on a life

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growth path coming out of a role in this

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kind of tertiary part of the film

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industry I'm working on very famous

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projects you know it can't be

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award-winning projects but I didn't want

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to do that anymore anyway because there

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was things where I wasn't a creative

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force behind it and I knew that

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ultimately I wasn't doing something that

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was my own thing just like you've done

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with the show Greg you know you get so

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much fulfillment out of creating your

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own thing and it was you know first a

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series of things but I found myself

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through life putting myself in an

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alignment where I could engage my will

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to reach out to people that are of more

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spiritual divine excellence such as

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things that might be in the realm of

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alchemy or shamanism or mysticism or

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magic you know or something that we

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might call people that are working to

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align themselves with the great work and

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I found that documentary was a nice way

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to do that because of course just like

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things that are real versus what's not

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real and we'll talk more about that

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documentaries can highlight that it's a

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medium that allows that to be

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highlighted so I was kind of leaning

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towards things with more esoteric an

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occult meaning which you know even

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though our never will be going to be

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more obscure they have much deeper

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substance so that was kind of the way

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that I initially got there and then you

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know we could talk about how Neil and I

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kind of connected up to do that right

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that was really going to be one of my

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next questions for you is the process of

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making this film it seemed like quite a

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long time in the making multiple years

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but how did you guys come together to

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get this thing done yeah I mean there's

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a huge disconnect between projects of

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hierarchical structures of the

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entertainment industry just like what

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you might see from a professional record

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label

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which may look good or sound good versus

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what you might see from Hollywood

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quote-unquote with big budgets but again

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there's nothing under the hood and over

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the last 10 years as the Internet's come

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about and you know even though it's 20

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years old there's been a lot more

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interesting things that are not on the

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internet that are of real philosophical

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depth and substance but there is a lot

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more good things that are able to be

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accessed now with the internet so I

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would see these independently made

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videos that you might see online from

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you know independent researchers that

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were exploring all sorts of interesting

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things like let's say alternate spatial

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models or the universe or like an Alan

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Watts lecture or Egyptologist that we're

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looking at ancient civilizations from

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more of a third eye perspective versus

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the kind of conventional Egyptologists

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who don't really know anything about

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ancient Egypt many of these things

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though that you'd find on let's say

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anywhere on the Internet

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they may look cheap and poor and you

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know have the same quality that

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something our moms would shoot on their

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cell phone but it may have very like

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expansive things to say right so on the

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other side of that we see tons of

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professional high-end big-budget work

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out there from let's say directors or

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filmmakers or producers which is

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visually stunning but again has little

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to nothing to say of us especially being

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these spiritual beings and there's a

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gazillion avenues that can fractal out

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from that concept so I saw this

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separation between these two right where

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it's like I'd love to make something

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that has at least some level of

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comparable production value and mix that

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with some of the actual depth of some of

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these independent researchers or some of

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these people that know a thing or two

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about ancient wisdom so the goal is to

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kind of synergize the higher production

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values which my background was in

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synergistically allowing me which kind

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of in my life

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synchronistically I should say allowed

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me to have this special skill set where

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I could do projects independently that

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had much deeper occult in alchemical and

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spiritual philosophic substance so in

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collaborating with somebody I was going

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to essentially propose and offer a free

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documentary film to somebody so then the

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question became well who do I do that

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with you know I had read philip k dick

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book valise and in valise you know he

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repeatedly mentions this kind of concept

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of the Empire never-ending and through

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my interest in science fiction and you

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know knowing that there was more depth

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on the page usually been on the screen I

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think when you kind of start digging

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into this concept of empire

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especially from a modern perspective and

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what it does to reduce beings that are a

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product of a system of containment like

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that I think as you start looking into

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alternate fields it inevitably leads you

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to certain people's material and deal is

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such a world expert on this concept I

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think so that inevitably led me to

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Neil's work and he was very much the

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perfect person to collaborate with in

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order to help bring this project into

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manifestation mmm I love what you're

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saying I definitely think that is the

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sweet spot alternative media has a long

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history with poor production quality and

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its really nice to try to bridge that

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gap and so kind of what you were saying

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before leads us right into part one of

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the film which is separation and to me

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it really lays out how you kind of have

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no choice but to pursue your true will

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and that esoteric path of the mysteries

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because when you profile the system for

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what it is cold exploitive dishonest

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empty and fulfilling that all helps to

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make the journey less intimidating

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because option a option normal becomes

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no option at all and so I guess Neil

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having written the film was that kind of

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the thinking get people to properly

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profile the Empire and its system so

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that you realize you really have no

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choice but to move forward yeah again

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thank you for that

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thoughtful angle on it which I totally

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agree with in the same way that Niles

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has brought a very professional balanced

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precise skillset to produce high

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production values for an indie project I

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wanted to do my best to do my bit of

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that which is to provide reason and

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sense and a bit of prudence and

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judicious nough stew the message so very

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often if you're speaking sir the

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uninitiated the the people sat on the

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fence they were thinking about something

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but perhaps like the confidence or

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insight of what to do about it in my

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experience if you have a run ting

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frothing voice of a conspiracy type show

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and will won't name any names but we all

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know who the top four or five dudes are

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it's a big turn-off that it turns a lot

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of good people away so I

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wants it it gives me a certain degree of

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satisfaction to speak to the initiated

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those who know and have great discourse

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with the must definitely a satisfying

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thing but it gives me even more

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satisfaction to speak to those who are

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fresh and new but know something's wrong

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and invite them inward and say look the

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system is messed up in a really serious

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way by design it's not through

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incompetence or that humans are just

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somehow irretrievably flawed it's set up

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to contain human beings not to uplift

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and elevate but the opposite of that and

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we won't go into that in tremendous

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detail in the film but we definitely

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show it all the key elements and there's

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no five seconds of the film and not

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carefully thought-out so every few

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frames every few scenes we spent a lot

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of time thinking about the symbolism the

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music the light the color everything the

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relationship between the sound the image

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and the word everything and so we

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acknowledging that there's a problem for

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part of the film and then offering

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solutions for the rest of the film but

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as you say it it has this three act

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structure which is pretty typical in

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filmmaking but we found it fits

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perfectly with ours too so we also

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adopted that model of separation of

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searching in a reunion which is a

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classical journey for any human who is

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alive to the spiritual truth of

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themselves is that initially it's a very

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difficult and harrowing and painful

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separation which is you realize you

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can't be a villager like all the other

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villagers you have to go on a sort of

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pilgrimage a journey of spiritual

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importance and danger and beauty all

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mixed up together and so you have to

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leave the safety of the certain sea and

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the routines and traditions of the

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village that may have been comforting at

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one time but when you realize that that

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village is not helping you have to leave

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it

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so that's separation

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I think if somebody watches that first

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you know 15 20 minutes or whatever and

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gets that then we've got them they're

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gonna think right I know what you're

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talking about guys and we believe Neil

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we believe nails we understand that

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we're on their side they're on our side

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we get it so if somebody gets that first

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part I'm going to pursue that journey

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and feel that there's somebody who gets

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it from the other angle and as I say you

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know it's a classical old story but what

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we bring you to it is the way I describe

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it the way nails depicts it the way the

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different musicians that we collaborated

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with depicted and it's unique in our day

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so although somebody could have talked

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about this 50 years ago or 500 years ago

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with exactly the same wisdom essentially

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the unique components of the day of this

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man Neil nails of this man Neil of these

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other guys that we worked with of the

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men and women who we're in the film with

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us the different people we talked to and

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of the circumstances of our culture

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today make it unique special there's

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nothing like it right now because there

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can't be it's unique because of those

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people at this moment in time so we're

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telling a tale of awakening which so

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many people have done what we're telling

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it with just in my view far more impact

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because it sincerely reaches out to the

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audience and says look this is so simple

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to do but you must move through this

550
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:43,230
painful separation first and if we can

551
00:21:47,659 --> 00:21:45,210
convince you to at least entertain the

552
00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:47,669
idea then I think you'll find something

553
00:21:54,140 --> 00:21:50,580
valuable so yeah that's what we were

554
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:54,150
trying to do mmm cheers to that yes the

555
00:21:58,669 --> 00:21:56,460
hero's journey it's familiar but

556
00:22:01,279 --> 00:21:58,679
different absolutely yeah

557
00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:01,289
somewhere embedded in us all and had

558
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:02,580
just waiting to come out and I think

559
00:22:07,940 --> 00:22:05,100
this is a good catalyst to jog it loose

560
00:22:10,190 --> 00:22:07,950
and Neil I was gonna ask this so when I

561
00:22:12,860 --> 00:22:10,200
talked to you on the show here five

562
00:22:15,290 --> 00:22:12,870
years ago I was trying to make the

563
00:22:17,450 --> 00:22:15,300
work it was in its infancy but I was

564
00:22:19,910 --> 00:22:17,460
still struggling at a job I hated I'd

565
00:22:22,130 --> 00:22:19,920
have inspirational guys like you and

566
00:22:24,410 --> 00:22:22,140
Duncan Trussell and Danielle Ebola Leon

567
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:24,420
and it would be like a broken record of

568
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:27,570
me asking for some magical answer or for

569
00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:30,330
someone to hold my hand or do it for me

570
00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:32,910
and the reality is that I'd heard all

571
00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:34,980
the advice and I had all the information

572
00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:37,860
I needed but number one it's a process

573
00:22:42,380 --> 00:22:39,809
and it takes time but number two I think

574
00:22:45,260 --> 00:22:42,390
a lot of us get stuck in the education

575
00:22:46,850 --> 00:22:45,270
phase and we're afraid to move on to the

576
00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:46,860
action phase is that something you think

577
00:22:53,090 --> 00:22:49,140
is a major stumbling block for people

578
00:22:55,060 --> 00:22:53,100
yeah I appreciate your candor and since

579
00:22:57,890 --> 00:22:55,070
there in those remarks as well because

580
00:23:00,880 --> 00:22:57,900
initially people are looking for a piece

581
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:00,890
of knowledge to fix the situation and

582
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:04,290
there isn't any such thing no such thing

583
00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,480
exists the fix to the situation

584
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:10,740
spiritually is to understand a very

585
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:13,380
difficult thing which is the self that

586
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:17,250
we made is a load of and it was

587
00:23:24,919 --> 00:23:22,050
made to mitigate pain and so the

588
00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:24,929
separation phase which I'll chemically

589
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:29,150
recall nigredo blackening is a

590
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:31,530
deconstructive phase or if you like

591
00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:33,450
Tarot might think of it as the tower

592
00:23:39,010 --> 00:23:36,179
card where something that you think was

593
00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:39,020
good that you spent a long time building

594
00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:43,230
must be destroyed and that's a tough

595
00:23:46,340 --> 00:23:45,000
thing even when you've got a big heart

596
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:46,350
and you're doing something awesome

597
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:49,260
you're making a good radio show you're

598
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,700
making a good film you're writing a good

599
00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:52,320
book you're putting on a cumference your

600
00:23:56,049 --> 00:23:54,360
meeting with good men and women even

601
00:23:58,750 --> 00:23:56,059
when our hearts are in the right place

602
00:24:01,910 --> 00:23:58,760
we still have to go through that

603
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,920
deconstructive phase or what in the old

604
00:24:06,650 --> 00:24:03,120
latin language you would call

605
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,660
putrefactive you have to break it down

606
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:09,600
you know like a tree is broken down when

607
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:12,210
it falls and eventually putrefies back

608
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:14,730
into the ground but its essence can

609
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:17,280
never be destroyed and what comes from

610
00:24:21,740 --> 00:24:20,010
it is better and stronger so yeah

611
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:21,750
there's a point where you have to say

612
00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:25,320
the problem with Empire is a spiritual

613
00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:26,340
problem

614
00:24:30,289 --> 00:24:28,289
for what the cultural war that we have

615
00:24:33,260 --> 00:24:30,299
at the moment between individualism and

616
00:24:35,899 --> 00:24:33,270
collectivism is a spiritual conflict it

617
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:35,909
is so no matter which way you look at it

618
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,179
you can't campaign for a

619
00:24:43,820 --> 00:24:41,840
political candidate of any persuasion

620
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:43,830
because they don't get it there's no

621
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:46,140
wisdom there's no leadership there's no

622
00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:46,799
depth

623
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:49,380
there's no attainment there so the

624
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:53,279
invitation is to your own transformation

625
00:24:58,570 --> 00:24:56,220
or your own transmutation the difference

626
00:25:02,019 --> 00:24:58,580
between those two words is that a

627
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:02,029
transformation is a gradual movement a

628
00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:05,510
refinement an incremental change

629
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:08,030
a transmutation is worth something new

630
00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:10,370
comes from that change so you're

631
00:25:14,830 --> 00:25:11,720
actually generating something that

632
00:25:18,490 --> 00:25:14,840
previously did not exist and so as a

633
00:25:21,940 --> 00:25:18,500
transcendent source of intonation within

634
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:21,950
it so it is a film about changes then

635
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,530
surely the whole film is about people

636
00:25:29,980 --> 00:25:27,200
who leave normal and find something

637
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:29,990
substantial and excellent and that then

638
00:25:35,550 --> 00:25:33,290
has a knock-on effect for understanding

639
00:25:38,530 --> 00:25:35,560
Empire understanding your sexuality

640
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:38,540
understanding your family understand in

641
00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:40,690
the world the environment the ecosystem

642
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:42,620
nutrition everything everything

643
00:25:48,250 --> 00:25:44,570
everything but it begins with that

644
00:25:50,140 --> 00:25:48,260
initial deconstruction phase so that's a

645
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,150
perfect example of the multi-layered

646
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:52,400
element to the film for the newcomer

647
00:25:56,610 --> 00:25:54,530
it's like you're walking around nature

648
00:26:01,540 --> 00:25:56,620
we've talked to some people nice film

649
00:26:03,370 --> 00:26:01,550
for the more thoughtful student it is

650
00:26:05,610 --> 00:26:03,380
wait a minute there's like a structure

651
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:05,620
here there's a lot being shown to us and

652
00:26:11,530 --> 00:26:08,210
you can see even in that three act

653
00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:11,540
structure separation searching reunion

654
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:13,540
were also present in our chemical

655
00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:16,010
processes to invite the viewer to look

656
00:26:22,650 --> 00:26:19,880
out of Negredo albedo Rubidoux which is

657
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,660
just old language for blackening

658
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,600
whitening and reddening which is

659
00:26:29,140 --> 00:26:27,200
deconstructing something that you

660
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:29,150
thought was good this actually garbage

661
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:33,130
oneself creating something from

662
00:26:41,890 --> 00:26:38,960
purification and forging a new self made

663
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:41,900
out of that purification that is true

664
00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:45,200
and that process is about thirty years

665
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,260
if you took somebody from let's say ten

666
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,200
years old and spent that thirty years

667
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,200
with them through that initiative

668
00:26:59,470 --> 00:26:56,000
esoteric procedure this about three

669
00:27:02,260 --> 00:26:59,480
decades work before they become okay so

670
00:27:05,470 --> 00:27:02,270
it's a long process a long long process

671
00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:05,480
and throughout the film you see that

672
00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:09,230
process depicted in nature to always

673
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:11,270
look carefully at the trees the sun the

674
00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:13,370
moon the water and you will see that

675
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:14,990
we're constantly referencing that

676
00:27:19,210 --> 00:27:17,440
process so again an example of the

677
00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:19,220
layered nests of the

678
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:20,600
which we don't want to disrespect

679
00:27:24,850 --> 00:27:21,770
anybody we're not trying to trick

680
00:27:29,890 --> 00:27:24,860
anybody we do want to speak to all

681
00:27:32,350 --> 00:27:29,900
comers on equal faith and Trust but we

682
00:27:34,210 --> 00:27:32,360
want to also acknowledge that those who

683
00:27:36,970 --> 00:27:34,220
have walked the path a little longer and

684
00:27:38,770 --> 00:27:36,980
have done a decent amount of work on

685
00:27:41,530 --> 00:27:38,780
themselves we want to give them

686
00:27:43,870 --> 00:27:41,540
something valuable as well so those who

687
00:27:46,090 --> 00:27:43,880
have learned how to interpret symbolism

688
00:27:49,270 --> 00:27:46,100
will say that we're acknowledging that

689
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,280
greater depth also just to add to that

690
00:27:53,260 --> 00:27:51,440
Greg I mean we you know one of the lines

691
00:27:55,180 --> 00:27:53,270
for the film it's powered by mind heart

692
00:27:57,370 --> 00:27:55,190
and will and those stages are so

693
00:27:58,750 --> 00:27:57,380
important because obviously our mind is

694
00:28:00,370 --> 00:27:58,760
what we think in our heart is what we

695
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:00,380
feel and then our will is actually what

696
00:28:04,660 --> 00:28:02,690
we do and just like Neil says you may

697
00:28:05,620 --> 00:28:04,670
spend decades in some of those stages

698
00:28:07,930 --> 00:28:05,630
you know there's people listening to

699
00:28:09,250 --> 00:28:07,940
this podcast that know the old system is

700
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:09,260
rubbish but they're still very much part

701
00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:11,090
of it they're doing their own internal

702
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:12,950
thoughts as to what they can do to

703
00:28:16,030 --> 00:28:14,570
maneuver out of it or live life in a

704
00:28:18,580 --> 00:28:16,040
better way and they feel that they need

705
00:28:20,260 --> 00:28:18,590
to move beyond that and there's very

706
00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:20,270
much a male-female balance and that

707
00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:21,470
where a lot of men are very mind

708
00:28:25,690 --> 00:28:23,030
centered and women are very heart

709
00:28:27,340 --> 00:28:25,700
centered and to move to the will we

710
00:28:28,990 --> 00:28:27,350
could think of it as the Eastern

711
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:29,000
perspective unlike the chakra ladder is

712
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:31,220
from a base up to a high crown chakra

713
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,110
but a Western perspective on that can be

714
00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:34,880
thought of as from the mind down to the

715
00:28:39,850 --> 00:28:37,100
heart down to the will which is the real

716
00:28:41,290 --> 00:28:39,860
engagement tearing us so when I hear

717
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:41,300
something like your show Greg which is a

718
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,890
really great show and you're I know

719
00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:44,240
people compliment you on just the

720
00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:45,830
general tone of the show it shows that

721
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:47,000
your heart is in a really good place

722
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:48,770
with the way that you're proposing this

723
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:50,690
material right because like Neil says I

724
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:52,010
mean we don't need to name names but

725
00:28:58,090 --> 00:28:54,710
we've all known guests and had guests on

726
00:28:59,920 --> 00:28:58,100
have very sad tones or very mean angry

727
00:29:01,480 --> 00:28:59,930
tones and they're very mad at themselves

728
00:29:03,970 --> 00:29:01,490
are very sad of themselves so your tone

729
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:03,980
is a huge part of your heart engagement

730
00:29:07,150 --> 00:29:05,510
and it's beautiful for you as a

731
00:29:08,650 --> 00:29:07,160
broadcaster to reference something that

732
00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:08,660
happened in your life comparing yourself

733
00:29:12,220 --> 00:29:10,280
from your five years ago version to your

734
00:29:13,930 --> 00:29:12,230
version now because it's really really

735
00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:13,940
powerful to get guests to talk about

736
00:29:17,020 --> 00:29:15,230
themselves rather than just doing

737
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:17,030
endless research about conspiratorial

738
00:29:20,650 --> 00:29:19,310
and then not actually ever using

739
00:29:22,540 --> 00:29:20,660
themselves as the vehicle for

740
00:29:23,950 --> 00:29:22,550
transportation right because like we

741
00:29:26,380 --> 00:29:23,960
would talk about in the film mysticism

742
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:26,390
is very much direct and is about you

743
00:29:30,130 --> 00:29:28,310
doing things so even though we're all

744
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:30,140
students and wrong on some level of path

745
00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:32,330
and never achieving mastery it's really

746
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:32,990
really beautiful

747
00:29:37,660 --> 00:29:34,730
to hear personal stories of people using

748
00:29:39,850 --> 00:29:37,670
themselves as real engaging to there's

749
00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:39,860
things they they snails everybody said

750
00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:41,990
that Greg let me just add another

751
00:29:47,140 --> 00:29:45,590
addendum on Celeste sure Niles just said

752
00:29:50,260 --> 00:29:47,150
something that just made me feel

753
00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:50,270
something that I have to say

754
00:29:58,890 --> 00:29:54,190
the personal journey is central to the

755
00:30:00,930 --> 00:29:58,900
spiritual stream ie what is really

756
00:30:04,090 --> 00:30:00,940
nourishing what is true what is

757
00:30:06,370 --> 00:30:04,100
transformational and the funny thing

758
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,380
about when you put media route on a

759
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:08,720
regular basis whether it's audio it's

760
00:30:13,540 --> 00:30:10,809
written it's visual whatever it is is

761
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:13,550
that the viewer the listener whatever

762
00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:16,880
gets to track the development of the

763
00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:22,040
person so I bet you that you see regular

764
00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:24,200
listeners who love Greg Karl or do love

765
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,270
Niles Hackman and every now and again

766
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:28,640
one of those people who enjoy your work

767
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:30,530
will email and say hey I've been

768
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:32,809
listening for years it's so good and you

769
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:35,270
know I've seen you change I've seen your

770
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:37,250
development I've seen what's happened to

771
00:30:40,750 --> 00:30:38,690
you and it's just great to see how the

772
00:30:42,790 --> 00:30:40,760
show the program the film's that this

773
00:30:45,250 --> 00:30:42,800
that that have evolved over time it's

774
00:30:47,890 --> 00:30:45,260
really quite precious I get those emails

775
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:47,900
too and sometimes people will say really

776
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:49,490
funny things like yeah I've followed you

777
00:30:52,660 --> 00:30:51,290
for ages and you know you had a good

778
00:30:54,970 --> 00:30:52,670
heart but you were a dick at the

779
00:30:57,010 --> 00:30:54,980
beginning and it was pretty

780
00:30:59,169 --> 00:30:57,020
unsophisticated and he said a lot of

781
00:31:01,419 --> 00:30:59,179
silly things but I could feel your

782
00:31:02,890 --> 00:31:01,429
authenticity and then as you've gone

783
00:31:05,850 --> 00:31:02,900
through the years you've refined

784
00:31:08,830 --> 00:31:05,860
yourself you've made yourself a more

785
00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:08,840
like I say a more balanced person you

786
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:10,940
have greater equilibrium but in that

787
00:31:14,980 --> 00:31:12,770
equilibrium and this is a great

788
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:14,990
compliment somebody gave me of the day

789
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:18,910
in that equilibrium you haven't become

790
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:21,679
diluted in fact you've become more

791
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:27,290
fierce and more piercing because you can

792
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:30,080
now focus on what counts through your

793
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,050
own failures and your own successes

794
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:35,120
you're not afraid to get it wrong you're

795
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:38,330
not afraid sir misstep which is always

796
00:31:44,290 --> 00:31:41,600
the sign of wisdom and I see that in all

797
00:31:46,299 --> 00:31:44,300
of this work is that our greatest gift

798
00:31:49,419 --> 00:31:46,309
is actually not the media we produce but

799
00:31:53,169 --> 00:31:49,429
it's the sharing of ourselves it's the

800
00:31:54,940 --> 00:31:53,179
sharing of Greg and nails which is even

801
00:31:57,940 --> 00:31:54,950
more important than the media that's

802
00:32:00,610 --> 00:31:57,950
produced me too and that becomes then a

803
00:32:03,370 --> 00:32:00,620
funny kind of document is our own life

804
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:03,380
through the media so I see that in this

805
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:04,230
film

806
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:06,779
in that not only as myself and nails

807
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:08,370
obviously have been the two people

808
00:32:14,029 --> 00:32:11,880
instrumentally making it but about fifty

809
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:14,039
other people as well perhaps ten of them

810
00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:15,600
in particular five of them in particular

811
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:19,260
but a bunch of great people their life

812
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:22,559
you can actually see the truck of it in

813
00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:25,500
this film to some extent and then when

814
00:32:30,409 --> 00:32:28,380
you meet those people I'm doing an event

815
00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:30,419
in Omega September the 7th to the 9th

816
00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:32,820
radiant shadow it's called if somebody

817
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,440
comes to that you'll meet some of these

818
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:36,960
people and you'll see oh yeah that's the

819
00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:38,370
guy from this thing oh that's the woman

820
00:32:43,159 --> 00:32:40,830
from this thing how they've changed even

821
00:32:46,460 --> 00:32:43,169
since that was made how they've refined

822
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:46,470
how they've become deeper warmer clearer

823
00:32:52,909 --> 00:32:49,860
stronger the most inspirational thing is

824
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:52,919
that is that tracking of the attainment

825
00:32:57,379 --> 00:32:55,980
which is just blood sweat and tears so

826
00:32:59,779 --> 00:32:57,389
the knowledge is there sure there's a

827
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,789
lot of cool stuff that will say somebody

828
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,200
could sit there with a notepad in this

829
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:03,360
film make a bunch of wonderful notes and

830
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:06,570
things to go research and check out but

831
00:33:11,299 --> 00:33:09,059
my advice is don't do that at first it

832
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:11,309
definitely rewards repeated viewing this

833
00:33:15,769 --> 00:33:13,799
film but at first just get the feeling

834
00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:15,779
of it get the feeling that this is

835
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:19,260
honestly honestly real people who are

836
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:21,210
changing themselves some have just begun

837
00:33:24,379 --> 00:33:22,769
some have been doing it for a little

838
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:24,389
while so I've been doing it for ages

839
00:33:28,879 --> 00:33:27,210
I'm not going to suggest who those are

840
00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:28,889
but you can tell when you look at it

841
00:33:33,259 --> 00:33:30,870
sometimes the age of the person is an

842
00:33:34,879 --> 00:33:33,269
indication but not always some young

843
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:34,889
people surprise you some old people

844
00:33:40,129 --> 00:33:37,080
surprise you in different ways but it's

845
00:33:41,779 --> 00:33:40,139
the evolution of the people to me is

846
00:33:45,379 --> 00:33:41,789
what's most inspirational in this

847
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:45,389
journey and also a good measure for that

848
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:47,220
or just barometer for that is to look

849
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,110
back at your previous body of work and

850
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:51,120
feel absolutely completely embarrassed

851
00:33:57,379 --> 00:33:55,529
at times when you talk about your

852
00:33:58,460 --> 00:33:57,389
earliest episodes in this podcast Craig

853
00:34:00,169 --> 00:33:58,470
or something like I have a little

854
00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:00,179
podcast too that I put behind a paywall

855
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:02,220
because the first 60 some episodes I'm

856
00:34:05,529 --> 00:34:03,720
kind of embarrassed by and that's very

857
00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:05,539
very healthy right where you should

858
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,860
absolutely look back at your old stuff

859
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:09,359
and somewhat just throw it in the

860
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:11,460
trashcan and reboot and not be afraid to

861
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:13,649
reboot and start over and it's never too

862
00:34:18,130 --> 00:34:16,050
late like Neil says even if you're 50

863
00:34:20,530 --> 00:34:18,140
years old working at the same job

864
00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:20,540
it's never too late to really start

865
00:34:26,170 --> 00:34:23,780
moving to start internal adjusting well

866
00:34:28,180 --> 00:34:26,180
said and I appreciate the kind words

867
00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:28,190
guys I mean you're right in those early

868
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:30,020
days there's a lot of frustration and

869
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:32,260
desperation in my voice and

870
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:34,250
embarrassingly enough it's all on the

871
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:37,460
record so there it is but you know in

872
00:34:41,650 --> 00:34:39,410
terms of the film being heavily layered

873
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:41,660
and it being kind of an initiation

874
00:34:48,730 --> 00:34:44,770
process of its own I definitely

875
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:48,740
appreciate esoteric and exoteric and the

876
00:34:54,430 --> 00:34:51,410
value of that as a learning process and

877
00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:54,440
how it might have even come to be back

878
00:34:58,180 --> 00:34:56,120
in the day when it was kind of developed

879
00:34:59,950 --> 00:34:58,190
but that's one thing you know we see the

880
00:35:01,950 --> 00:34:59,960
value of it as a teaching tool but we

881
00:35:04,540 --> 00:35:01,960
also look at society today and

882
00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:04,550
everything seems flipped the exoteric

883
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:06,950
what's projected out there is just lies

884
00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:09,110
it doesn't seem like a simplified

885
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:11,270
version of truth like the tradition

886
00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:13,250
might have had in the beginning it seems

887
00:35:18,340 --> 00:35:16,270
like this tool of exoteric esoteric is

888
00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:18,350
completely used against us and we

889
00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:21,140
sometimes think about conspiracies and

890
00:35:27,550 --> 00:35:24,440
secrets and then we equate it back to

891
00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:27,560
that process and those types of thinkers

892
00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:29,990
and that might not be accurate that

893
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:32,030
might be flawed thinking but what can

894
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:34,910
you say about that mechanism and how its

895
00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:37,490
applied today versus in the past and how

896
00:35:41,650 --> 00:35:40,040
to parse out the positive from the

897
00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:41,660
negative that can be contained within

898
00:35:46,990 --> 00:35:45,230
this tool yeah pass is an excellent word

899
00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:47,000
by the way they used that myself

900
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:48,710
yesterday and thought what a lovely word

901
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:50,630
so I'm definitely using that again

902
00:35:55,930 --> 00:35:52,430
because you just said it mm-hmm

903
00:35:57,790 --> 00:35:55,940
thank you for that pointer pass to me a

904
00:36:01,090 --> 00:35:57,800
good way to think about what you just

905
00:36:04,660 --> 00:36:01,100
said is to show the example of the

906
00:36:06,370 --> 00:36:04,670
intelligence services as organizations

907
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:06,380
that have an esoteric and exoteric

908
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:10,330
element if you think about the FBI or

909
00:36:17,290 --> 00:36:13,490
perhaps more specifically the CIA the

910
00:36:21,580 --> 00:36:17,300
NSA and then like the British mi6 mi5

911
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:21,590
and Israeli Mossad and their Russian KGB

912
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,710
and so on and so forth those

913
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,000
organizations have an element within

914
00:36:31,540 --> 00:36:28,400
them which is designed to protect

915
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:31,550
national interests to protect their

916
00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:32,079
nation

917
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:35,380
against foreign threats by identifying

918
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:39,430
information and having trade in that

919
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:41,940
information eliminating things

920
00:36:47,710 --> 00:36:45,420
bolstering things based on that flow of

921
00:36:50,849 --> 00:36:47,720
Secrets

922
00:36:55,890 --> 00:36:50,859
and then if you push that out to

923
00:36:59,950 --> 00:36:55,900
non-military non-national things such as

924
00:37:01,839 --> 00:36:59,960
Rosicrucianism Freemasonry maybe

925
00:37:05,050 --> 00:37:01,849
theosophy you know things like that

926
00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:05,060
you've got another kind of group where

927
00:37:11,859 --> 00:37:08,180
they have a similar structure which is

928
00:37:13,809 --> 00:37:11,869
its supposed to be to protect the

929
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:13,819
interests of a group through the

930
00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:16,160
knowledge they have to say how can we

931
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:18,760
strengthen humankind

932
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:22,490
knowing essentially a great secret of

933
00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:25,310
the work is that most human beings want

934
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:28,040
to be told what to do the don't want to

935
00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:30,290
think for themselves and that in my view

936
00:37:34,690 --> 00:37:32,270
is going to remain that way for a very

937
00:37:37,390 --> 00:37:34,700
very long time so you then have an

938
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:37,400
interesting dilemma which is how do you

939
00:37:43,890 --> 00:37:40,160
respectfully help those who want to be

940
00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:43,900
told what to do so many esoteric groups

941
00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:47,240
the way they grapple with that challenge

942
00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:50,150
is to say well let us offer the pathway

943
00:37:56,319 --> 00:37:53,990
to initiation to everybody it's a little

944
00:37:59,530 --> 00:37:56,329
bit like say in martial arts in karate

945
00:38:02,410 --> 00:37:59,540
you have different grades which are

946
00:38:04,809 --> 00:38:02,420
depicted by the belt that you wear

947
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:04,819
around your karate key you know your

948
00:38:09,490 --> 00:38:07,310
uniform and you start with a white bowl

949
00:38:12,819 --> 00:38:09,500
and you go on through green belts and

950
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:12,829
black belts and all the rest of it the

951
00:38:16,089 --> 00:38:14,690
belt depicts where you're up to but the

952
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:16,099
fact that you've got a belt on is what

953
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:17,810
matters it doesn't perhaps matter so

954
00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:19,970
much what color it is at first is that

955
00:38:25,210 --> 00:38:22,760
you're all there doing this work but the

956
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:25,220
path of initiation is open to everybody

957
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:28,720
so when you go to a an esoteric good

958
00:38:34,030 --> 00:38:30,650
organization which I've been to many

959
00:38:38,770 --> 00:38:34,040
over my life everybody is given the same

960
00:38:41,020 --> 00:38:38,780
respect and the same access to resources

961
00:38:43,329 --> 00:38:41,030
and fellowship and brotherhood as

962
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,339
everyone else and I am NOT a member of

963
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:45,440
any organization I've never been a Mason

964
00:38:50,319 --> 00:38:47,510
and never would be for all kinds of

965
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:50,329
different reasons but I've met many such

966
00:38:54,910 --> 00:38:52,910
groups many great Masonic groups who

967
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:54,920
spoke at a Masonic Temple in Portland in

968
00:38:59,260 --> 00:38:56,569
2012 they opened the doors to everyone

969
00:39:01,210 --> 00:38:59,270
in their sea load a lot of people came

970
00:39:04,450 --> 00:39:01,220
saw me to speak and there

971
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:04,460
progressive modern supercool esoteric

972
00:39:07,060 --> 00:39:05,599
Lodge down there and they were great

973
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:07,070
through a great great bunch of guys a

974
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,470
lot of people came up and said wow this

975
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:11,359
isn't the spooky weird that I

976
00:39:15,849 --> 00:39:13,910
thought it was these guys are like cool

977
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:15,859
and interesting and actually looking for

978
00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:18,760
something substantial as a tray however

979
00:39:26,349 --> 00:39:22,190
that same infrastructure for the

980
00:39:29,830 --> 00:39:26,359
intelligence services and the fraternal

981
00:39:34,570 --> 00:39:29,840
esoteric organizations is the perfect

982
00:39:38,010 --> 00:39:34,580
cover for skullduggery so if your empire

983
00:39:42,339 --> 00:39:38,020
the first thing you must do is seize

984
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:42,349
assets and elements cells within those

985
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:45,609
intelligence services and within those

986
00:39:52,450 --> 00:39:48,530
fraternal and esoteric orders which has

987
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:52,460
been done now for at least let's say

988
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:54,770
twenty five thousand years in the

989
00:40:00,700 --> 00:39:57,890
esoteric orders at least and at least

990
00:40:02,109 --> 00:40:00,710
the last century of the intelligence

991
00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:02,119
services and the ones that were after

992
00:40:08,260 --> 00:40:05,540
that usually had prior forms so all the

993
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:08,270
time you're running with these three

994
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:10,490
elements side by side the same

995
00:40:16,839 --> 00:40:13,250
organizations have black hats bad guys

996
00:40:21,339 --> 00:40:16,849
white hats good guys and grey hats

997
00:40:24,579 --> 00:40:21,349
people who transact in rightness and

998
00:40:27,579 --> 00:40:24,589
wrongness for a fee and that makes

999
00:40:29,410 --> 00:40:27,589
everything very complicated so when

1000
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,420
you're analyzing the deep stay the

1001
00:40:34,690 --> 00:40:31,520
Empire and you're looking at how it

1002
00:40:37,780 --> 00:40:34,700
works there is an analog in esotericism

1003
00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:37,790
and there is a free Masonic element of

1004
00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:41,900
great evilness but it isn't Freemasonry

1005
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:44,030
itself it's the infrastructure of it

1006
00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:47,750
that's been used to hide something so

1007
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:49,220
you always have to be very careful to

1008
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,200
distinguish between the two the

1009
00:40:56,170 --> 00:40:53,599
structure how it was formed

1010
00:40:58,780 --> 00:40:56,180
who made it and why and those who have

1011
00:41:01,240 --> 00:40:58,790
adopted that structure for nefarious

1012
00:41:03,210 --> 00:41:01,250
purposes so if you can distinguish

1013
00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:03,220
between the two there's no problem

1014
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:05,540
yeah and that kind of extension to the

1015
00:41:09,970 --> 00:41:07,910
saying of having eyes to see and ears to

1016
00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:09,980
hear or doesn't it because you know most

1017
00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:11,000
people are good people but the

1018
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:12,980
consciousness and a lot of people that

1019
00:41:16,770 --> 00:41:14,330
we might know who wouldn't be list

1020
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:16,780
a podcast like this is so low that

1021
00:41:21,460 --> 00:41:19,310
they're just awash and only the exoteric

1022
00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:21,470
which is probably 99 plus percent of

1023
00:41:25,420 --> 00:41:22,700
what's presented to them and that's

1024
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:25,430
really just this sugar and plastic of

1025
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,290
shopping malls and high-rise buildings

1026
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:28,880
and corporatization and you know

1027
00:41:33,310 --> 00:41:31,010
government skullduggery right and they

1028
00:41:35,050 --> 00:41:33,320
don't have access or have been turned

1029
00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:35,060
away from anything that's esoteric which

1030
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,360
is really yummy mental vegetables and

1031
00:41:43,210 --> 00:41:39,920
both may have some sort of level of

1032
00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:43,220
ritual or pagan weirdness or pentagrams

1033
00:41:47,170 --> 00:41:45,470
or dolmens in terms of just the esoteric

1034
00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:47,180
on the dark side and the light side the

1035
00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:50,420
sorcery or the wizardry but for people

1036
00:41:55,090 --> 00:41:52,700
that are listening to this and have this

1037
00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:55,100
yummy mental vegetable conversation that

1038
00:41:59,080 --> 00:41:57,350
we're having for the small amount of

1039
00:42:00,340 --> 00:41:59,090
people that would be those folks there's

1040
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,350
many more people out there that can

1041
00:42:04,450 --> 00:42:02,720
really care less so it is very much this

1042
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:04,460
kind of a most self-initiative process

1043
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:05,930
these days where you really have to if

1044
00:42:11,620 --> 00:42:07,670
there's become an autodidact for

1045
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:11,630
yourself and make it happen for you it

1046
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,130
is and if I can just add one thing to

1047
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:14,800
that as well

1048
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:18,010
my experience has shown me that as I say

1049
00:42:25,950 --> 00:42:23,160
most people want to feel that access to

1050
00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:25,960
deep layers of reality which were like

1051
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:28,830
face-melting lis awesome stuff

1052
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:33,330
experiences fear they want to feel that

1053
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:37,090
that pathways available to everybody in

1054
00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:39,850
real especially Western esoteric

1055
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:41,140
traditions more than any other more than

1056
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:42,790
any African our Asian traditions have

1057
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:43,450
ever seen

1058
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:45,970
Western esoteric traditions of Western

1059
00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:51,130
Europe offer the most extreme equality I

1060
00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:53,950
can think of in fact the only equality I

1061
00:43:00,359 --> 00:42:56,670
can think of which is this simple thing

1062
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:00,369
the journey is open to everybody it's

1063
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:03,010
just a choice and it's a sequence of

1064
00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:06,130
choices through ten decades of life it's

1065
00:43:11,090 --> 00:43:08,440
just a sequence of choices I've never

1066
00:43:14,310 --> 00:43:11,100
met anybody who doesn't have that choice

1067
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:14,320
regardless of the comfort of the

1068
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:16,810
circumstances I've never met anyone who

1069
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:18,730
doesn't have that choice so it is

1070
00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:22,510
ultimate equality and my journey with

1071
00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:25,480
some esoteric groups to hermetic groups

1072
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:29,080
in particular was unquestionably

1073
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:31,810
beneficial and I don't just mean now

1074
00:43:36,810 --> 00:43:33,670
well I found some gems are of a lot of

1075
00:43:40,410 --> 00:43:36,820
weird no it made me a better man it

1076
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:40,420
made me a true a human a better person

1077
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:43,450
and gave me the philosophical and

1078
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:46,090
spiritual tools to distinguish between

1079
00:43:53,570 --> 00:43:51,040
crap and quality and never ever to in

1080
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:53,580
any way avoid discriminating between

1081
00:44:01,260 --> 00:43:58,650
right and wrong which in absolute terms

1082
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:01,270
there are universal elements to those

1083
00:44:05,550 --> 00:44:03,369
things but you have to experience them

1084
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:05,560
the wisdom is in your footsteps it's not

1085
00:44:10,830 --> 00:44:08,770
in pages and words and thoughts and as

1086
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:10,840
nails indicate before mind heart and

1087
00:44:15,930 --> 00:44:13,210
will I would say this about that you

1088
00:44:17,849 --> 00:44:15,940
must get your mind in order first then

1089
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:17,859
you must get your heart in order so

1090
00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:20,650
masculine and feminine energies in both

1091
00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:23,350
men and women vice-versa upside down

1092
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:26,020
back to from total harmony you have to

1093
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:28,210
explore all of that when mine

1094
00:44:35,310 --> 00:44:30,970
and ha are in good order will can then

1095
00:44:37,470 --> 00:44:35,320
come into effect which in some western

1096
00:44:39,570 --> 00:44:37,480
air esoteric traditions again as Niles

1097
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:39,580
pointed to and we show this in the film

1098
00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:41,920
in many ways if you look carefully it's

1099
00:44:46,859 --> 00:44:44,740
not at the crown chakra it's at the very

1100
00:44:48,570 --> 00:44:46,869
base of somebody it's at the very root

1101
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:48,580
it's at the thing that connects you to

1102
00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:52,020
the Lund it's the red primal energy and

1103
00:44:59,339 --> 00:44:55,750
it is the will of the creator

1104
00:45:04,349 --> 00:44:59,349
so if who were speaking in simple terms

1105
00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:04,359
you would say all will is God's will thy

1106
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:07,960
will be done not mine so it is a way of

1107
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:10,089
saying when you're in the flow

1108
00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:14,490
this giant fractal Beauty this divine

1109
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:17,830
eminence this divine resonance flows

1110
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:19,690
through you it's not just the animal

1111
00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:21,369
self doing something is something much

1112
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:24,550
mightier and more majestic so mind and

1113
00:45:30,660 --> 00:45:28,089
heart getting that in shape is preparing

1114
00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:30,670
the vessel for the reception of God's

1115
00:45:35,010 --> 00:45:32,920
will so it flows through you so you

1116
00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:35,020
simply become a conduit a channel for it

1117
00:45:40,109 --> 00:45:37,420
and he gives you the freewill to shape

1118
00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:40,119
it how you wish go write a book go lie

1119
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:41,790
on the mountainside look at the clouds

1120
00:45:47,339 --> 00:45:44,710
go cook dinner whatever you want to do

1121
00:45:50,490 --> 00:45:47,349
there's no great summoning there's no

1122
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:50,500
great ordination to it it's yours to do

1123
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:52,810
with as you wish but if mind and heart

1124
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:55,450
are in good condition which is as I say

1125
00:46:00,599 --> 00:45:58,440
minimum three decades work hard work

1126
00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:00,609
when they're in good conditions

1127
00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:03,220
something greater flows through one and

1128
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:05,380
that is available to everybody and you

1129
00:46:12,359 --> 00:46:09,369
could say that somebody like a Christ

1130
00:46:14,430 --> 00:46:12,369
figure comes down to say check this out

1131
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:14,440
this is how you do it guys right I'm out

1132
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:14,770
of here

1133
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:17,710
but do that it works and he is a son of

1134
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:20,170
God as indeed we all are sons and

1135
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,510
daughters of God so there is an element

1136
00:46:26,430 --> 00:46:24,640
of divinity that flows through this film

1137
00:46:29,070 --> 00:46:26,440
without doubts and whether you

1138
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:29,080
characterize that as nature God give

1139
00:46:34,829 --> 00:46:31,930
inner a sauce goddess animistic

1140
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,839
pantheistic monotheistic that's up to

1141
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:36,880
you we don't really care but the

1142
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:40,450
divinity element is crucial so leaving

1143
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:41,710
normal in my

1144
00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:44,170
you cannot be done without the

1145
00:46:48,810 --> 00:46:46,060
acknowledgement of a higher power but

1146
00:46:50,849 --> 00:46:48,820
that can only be experienced

1147
00:46:53,730 --> 00:46:50,859
individually you can't ask somebody to

1148
00:46:55,740 --> 00:46:53,740
do that you can't sit them down and get

1149
00:47:00,210 --> 00:46:55,750
them to agree to a bunch of precepts you

1150
00:47:02,430 --> 00:47:00,220
have to say find your pathway to God and

1151
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:02,440
see if you can find him see if he can

1152
00:47:06,359 --> 00:47:04,450
have discourse see if you can feel

1153
00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:06,369
something flowing through your veins and

1154
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,830
radiating through your bones in an

1155
00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:10,720
undeniable way it's not knowledge it's

1156
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:12,220
not words it's not prayers it's

1157
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:14,710
something far more significant that is

1158
00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:17,530
like a tectonic shift but it's a

1159
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:19,990
personal epiphany you can't have it

1160
00:47:22,530 --> 00:47:21,970
delivered to you as a prescription from

1161
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:22,540
anybody

1162
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:24,390
however cool or interesting are

1163
00:47:30,329 --> 00:47:28,000
mysterious and sexy it must only come

1164
00:47:32,910 --> 00:47:30,339
through personal experience and once you

1165
00:47:34,650 --> 00:47:32,920
have that then that's where the magic

1166
00:47:37,950 --> 00:47:34,660
starts to happen which is again we

1167
00:47:40,349 --> 00:47:37,960
depict that numerous times every sort of

1168
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,359
10 or 15 minutes through the film you

1169
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:41,920
will see us talking about that very

1170
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:43,980
thing if you look carefully

1171
00:47:48,930 --> 00:47:46,210
hmm.well sudden I agree with you about

1172
00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:48,940
the Equality of access it's like today

1173
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:50,980
especially anyone with the internet or a

1174
00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:53,530
library card can read the books and do

1175
00:47:58,290 --> 00:47:55,990
the work without joining any groups yeah

1176
00:48:00,690 --> 00:47:58,300
you know you can do that all yourself

1177
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:00,700
watch the film instead of watching nine

1178
00:48:06,089 --> 00:48:03,609
seasons of Seinfeld again there's all

1179
00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:06,099
kinds of better choices and this all

1180
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:07,960
kind of speaks to that personal journey

1181
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:10,780
but that said you know I've had

1182
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:13,359
intelligent nice Freemasons on the show

1183
00:48:17,609 --> 00:48:15,310
before as individuals you know everyone

1184
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:17,619
should be judged accordingly but I know

1185
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:19,990
some listeners would say that there

1186
00:48:26,579 --> 00:48:23,490
seems to be a nearly ironclad political

1187
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:26,589
economic and corporate synergy when it

1188
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:29,410
comes to lying and manipulating the

1189
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:31,800
masses where are these enlightened

1190
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:34,930
philosopher kings today that should be

1191
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:37,119
flexing their muscle and pushing back is

1192
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:38,770
there any way you could give us an

1193
00:48:42,570 --> 00:48:40,810
example of where you see them on the

1194
00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:42,580
world stage because some people can only

1195
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:46,180
really see the Empire

1196
00:48:52,049 --> 00:48:48,970
so in The Times if I may answer this one

1197
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:52,059
nails for a moment please do Megan in in

1198
00:48:59,279 --> 00:48:56,559
the times of the prior ages it was a

1199
00:49:00,750 --> 00:48:59,289
time of kingship and you would have a

1200
00:49:03,539 --> 00:49:00,760
philosopher King you would come along

1201
00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:03,549
and lead his people philosopher Queen

1202
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,260
perhaps he would come along and lead her

1203
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:07,119
people however you wish to see it for

1204
00:49:13,019 --> 00:49:10,510
sure what the enormous difference is

1205
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:13,029
today and if you look at the esoteric

1206
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:16,450
cosmology for this which would be pole

1207
00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:20,049
aria Hyperborea Lemuria at lancia area

1208
00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:24,190
in the Aryan age of the moment it is a

1209
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,150
time of the individuals journey not the

1210
00:49:34,529 --> 00:49:30,880
group of journey so the philosopher king

1211
00:49:36,569 --> 00:49:34,539
is you Greg Carr would it's you hmm

1212
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,579
the philosopher king is the man who's

1213
00:49:40,349 --> 00:49:38,319
listening to you at this show now the

1214
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:40,359
woman who's listening to this show they

1215
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:44,049
are the priestesses and Jedi's of the

1216
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:47,650
moment individualism is the end of

1217
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,010
empire coming together in groups follows

1218
00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:53,920
that but you cannot have a group with

1219
00:50:01,789 --> 00:49:56,710
our individuals sounds simple but it's

1220
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:01,799
overlooked the triumph of individualism

1221
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:05,490
against the collective spells the

1222
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:10,210
termination of Empire so they access to

1223
00:50:14,130 --> 00:50:12,160
the information the access to the

1224
00:50:17,609 --> 00:50:14,140
journey the freedom for anybody to

1225
00:50:19,859 --> 00:50:17,619
choose how to live is there and it's

1226
00:50:22,829 --> 00:50:19,869
there really for the first time in many

1227
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:22,839
many many many centuries so I see now

1228
00:50:27,930 --> 00:50:25,690
that the impulse the invitation is for

1229
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:27,940
the individual to engage with the

1230
00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:31,390
mystery and when they do to a certain

1231
00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:34,270
threshold I can tell you for sure that

1232
00:50:38,849 --> 00:50:36,760
groups are eyes secret orders until

1233
00:50:42,839 --> 00:50:38,859
empires gone they will always be secret

1234
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,849
who constantly while everyone else is

1235
00:50:47,579 --> 00:50:44,319
sleeping while everyone else is doing

1236
00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:47,589
whatever are working to destroy Empire I

1237
00:50:51,089 --> 00:50:50,440
know many of those groups I see them all

1238
00:50:53,069 --> 00:50:51,099
the time

1239
00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:53,079
but the only people who are going to

1240
00:50:56,010 --> 00:50:54,460
know about that are people who've

1241
00:50:58,769 --> 00:50:56,020
reached that level of awareness in

1242
00:51:00,349 --> 00:50:58,779
themselves once they do those groups

1243
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:00,359
will find you

1244
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:04,780
interesting for sure and in terms of the

1245
00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:07,359
personal journey and how to maybe even

1246
00:51:15,690 --> 00:51:12,700
recognize that there is a path of divine

1247
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:15,700
mystery that we can even get to maybe

1248
00:51:19,859 --> 00:51:17,369
this is a question for Niles but

1249
00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:19,869
psychedelics can be one way to shock

1250
00:51:24,839 --> 00:51:22,030
your system out of normalcy what are

1251
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,849
your thoughts on where shamanism and

1252
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:27,040
entheogens come in I've talked to a few

1253
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:29,770
people about transformative experiences

1254
00:51:34,589 --> 00:51:31,450
that they've had I've talked about mine

1255
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:34,599
at nauseam here but I still think when a

1256
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:37,090
person has a breakthrough experience

1257
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:39,250
it's hard to plug back into the matrix

1258
00:51:44,070 --> 00:51:42,310
wouldn't you say yeah absolutely I mean

1259
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:44,080
all my psychedelic experiences have been

1260
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,630
very life-changing and positive and you

1261
00:51:50,849 --> 00:51:48,400
know I take great great pleasure and

1262
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:50,859
cherish those experiences and I I agree

1263
00:51:54,690 --> 00:51:52,330
with the McKennon perspective that

1264
00:51:56,820 --> 00:51:54,700
entheogens have a profound ability to

1265
00:51:58,589 --> 00:51:56,830
show somebody something in a very short

1266
00:52:00,960 --> 00:51:58,599
powerful time rather than sitting on the

1267
00:52:03,089 --> 00:52:00,970
ashram for 30 years meditating so that

1268
00:52:04,349 --> 00:52:03,099
immediacy of them is very powerful

1269
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,359
especially if they're done in right

1270
00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:06,640
respect and a proper shamanic container

1271
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:08,920
like you reference Gregg so ultimately

1272
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:10,089
though when you do get to a certain

1273
00:52:12,839 --> 00:52:11,200
level I'm not saying that you leave

1274
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:12,849
entheogens behind or you don't have any

1275
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:14,980
sort of endogenous tryptamine

1276
00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:16,570
experiences but you will get to the

1277
00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:19,720
point where you are able to do as much

1278
00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:23,020
in life endogenously in interesting ways

1279
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:25,720
through various ritual or practices so

1280
00:52:29,970 --> 00:52:28,030
there's a beauty to entheogens kind of

1281
00:52:33,329 --> 00:52:29,980
helping wake people up a little bit if

1282
00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:33,339
they are in a proper mental state to be

1283
00:52:37,170 --> 00:52:34,900
able to receive them again back to the

1284
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:37,180
ICC and ears to hear and have the

1285
00:52:41,730 --> 00:52:39,609
willingness to want to heal themselves

1286
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,740
because ultimately as we are all in a

1287
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:43,359
profoundly sick culture you know it's no

1288
00:52:47,220 --> 00:52:44,710
measure to be aligned with that as

1289
00:52:48,900 --> 00:52:47,230
krishna murty quote says so if you're

1290
00:52:50,550 --> 00:52:48,910
willing to kind of unplug yourself and

1291
00:52:52,170 --> 00:52:50,560
see that there's more to offer than

1292
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:52,180
meets the eye you can turn the circuit

1293
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,680
board of reality over and see something

1294
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:55,599
get a little preview of that I think

1295
00:52:58,740 --> 00:52:57,130
that the MPO genic and psychedelic

1296
00:53:00,570 --> 00:52:58,750
perspective is beautiful for just kind

1297
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:00,580
of giving people that little peek

1298
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:02,640
through the window behind the veil and

1299
00:53:06,839 --> 00:53:05,200
then we can carry those things into our

1300
00:53:08,250 --> 00:53:06,849
lives and what's so important about the

1301
00:53:09,329 --> 00:53:08,260
psychedelic experience is what do you do

1302
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:09,339
with your life when you bring it back

1303
00:53:12,810 --> 00:53:11,170
right and a lot of people in the

1304
00:53:13,770 --> 00:53:12,820
entheogenic and psychedelic communities

1305
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:13,780
are having just as many

1306
00:53:18,270 --> 00:53:16,030
people in kind of other standard

1307
00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:18,280
operating realities I get really

1308
00:53:21,180 --> 00:53:19,900
encouraged when I've met people that

1309
00:53:22,620 --> 00:53:21,190
have had some anthea genacore

1310
00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:22,630
psychedelic experiences and have done

1311
00:53:26,910 --> 00:53:24,430
them well and then are also working on

1312
00:53:28,380 --> 00:53:26,920
themselves in their day to day life and

1313
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,390
not just one or the other there's

1314
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:29,920
balance and everything and that's when I

1315
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:32,530
really start being energized and excited

1316
00:53:37,950 --> 00:53:35,290
when I get to have the pleasure of being

1317
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,960
around folks like that if I can just add

1318
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:40,020
one thing to that as well Greg I'm

1319
00:53:44,550 --> 00:53:42,490
writing a lot of cool words down and now

1320
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:44,560
just used another cool word and dodge

1321
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:46,690
earnest right that made me think about

1322
00:53:50,970 --> 00:53:49,510
your point before Greg about where are

1323
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:50,980
the philosopher kings where's the great

1324
00:53:56,460 --> 00:53:53,110
nations of Awesomeness and how can we

1325
00:53:59,130 --> 00:53:56,470
team up or whatever perhaps endogenous

1326
00:54:01,590 --> 00:53:59,140
just simply meaning from within arising

1327
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:01,600
from within so if your spiritual power

1328
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:04,020
is endogenous it means that you're

1329
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:07,170
conjoin it from your own internal flame

1330
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:09,810
that's what we do in at the moment

1331
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:12,970
indigenous is when it's from a nation

1332
00:54:16,460 --> 00:54:14,650
when it's from the soil from the land

1333
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:16,470
from the character other people

1334
00:54:24,570 --> 00:54:21,390
endogenous must come before indigenous

1335
00:54:26,850 --> 00:54:24,580
when you then have a group of people who

1336
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:26,860
from their own private inner flame have

1337
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:30,400
found great power and clarity and moral

1338
00:54:36,660 --> 00:54:33,490
strength and excellence when they then

1339
00:54:38,340 --> 00:54:36,670
come together that then imprints onto

1340
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:38,350
the land and then you've got an

1341
00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:41,650
indigenous spiritual community for the

1342
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,390
first time I've never seen that yet

1343
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:45,280
because I know that we still in the

1344
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:48,880
phase of individualization we each have

1345
00:54:55,590 --> 00:54:51,130
that shard of the Creator within us and

1346
00:54:59,760 --> 00:54:55,600
we're asked to radiate it you can't do

1347
00:55:02,370 --> 00:54:59,770
that under the aegis of some other power

1348
00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:02,380
you have to do it yourself but there's a

1349
00:55:06,990 --> 00:55:04,630
only a very small critical mass of

1350
00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:07,000
people who need to do that for it to

1351
00:55:11,370 --> 00:55:09,430
work I definitely subscribe to the idea

1352
00:55:13,770 --> 00:55:11,380
that you don't need seven billion

1353
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:13,780
awakened humans to make a good earth you

1354
00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:15,850
need about let's pick a random number

1355
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,150
out of the Bible 144,000 that's in

1356
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:21,760
period you only need that tiny remnant

1357
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:22,090
of

1358
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:25,810
extraordinary lucid supercool awesome

1359
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:28,240
people and that's it then suddenly

1360
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:32,530
empires finished so you need 144,000

1361
00:55:39,330 --> 00:55:35,920
lucid individuals and it's game over and

1362
00:55:41,820 --> 00:55:39,340
we're back to utopia thank you and when

1363
00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:41,830
you say before having a culture that has

1364
00:55:45,930 --> 00:55:44,230
this endogenous before indigenous

1365
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:45,940
mindset I mean we reference the illusion

1366
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:48,640
mysteries in the film and at that point

1367
00:55:51,330 --> 00:55:50,290
in time I mean that was an example of

1368
00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:51,340
something like that right where there's

1369
00:55:56,460 --> 00:55:54,430
2000 plus years of a practice initiating

1370
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:56,470
people into something that was at that

1371
00:56:01,200 --> 00:55:57,970
time very likely called the Chi Kyung

1372
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:01,210
which was thought to be either an ergot

1373
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:03,370
barley beer with a rye that had

1374
00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:05,050
psychedelic properties or perhaps maybe

1375
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:06,430
even I've heard speculation of a

1376
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:08,530
psychedelic honey but that's an example

1377
00:56:12,540 --> 00:56:11,110
of beautiful example Niles thank you

1378
00:56:14,340 --> 00:56:12,550
yeah look at that in the film guys the

1379
00:56:15,890 --> 00:56:14,350
Elysian misters that now she's talking

1380
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:15,900
about Aria Lucy and mr. Asia

1381
00:56:23,250 --> 00:56:21,370
yeah hmm wise words and so let me ask

1382
00:56:26,550 --> 00:56:23,260
you a little more about the non-physical

1383
00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:26,560
parts of this reality structure well

1384
00:56:31,410 --> 00:56:29,260
beyond Empire more baked into nature

1385
00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:31,420
you know entheogen they seem to be one

1386
00:56:36,420 --> 00:56:34,630
way to see the underlying structure and

1387
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:36,430
that's kind of what's so powerful about

1388
00:56:40,110 --> 00:56:38,110
them cuz nobody taught us that that was

1389
00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:40,120
there and then you break through and you

1390
00:56:44,220 --> 00:56:41,950
see that that's a major lie and there's

1391
00:56:45,930 --> 00:56:44,230
a whole hidden realm here that could

1392
00:56:48,090 --> 00:56:45,940
possibly be explored maybe that's step

1393
00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:48,100
one in the path for a lot of people but

1394
00:56:53,490 --> 00:56:51,070
on this show we hear a lot of stories

1395
00:56:55,710 --> 00:56:53,500
about people who've received some type

1396
00:56:57,540 --> 00:56:55,720
of direct download from somewhere else

1397
00:56:59,820 --> 00:56:57,550
you know call it the spirit world or a

1398
00:57:03,120 --> 00:56:59,830
non-physical dimension Francis Crick

1399
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:03,130
Nikola Tesla Maria or such and this is a

1400
00:57:07,110 --> 00:57:05,290
really persistent thing usually with

1401
00:57:09,690 --> 00:57:07,120
bright minds who are suppressed by the

1402
00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:09,700
Empire I think psychedelics have that

1403
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:12,070
same quality for people they plug us in

1404
00:57:16,860 --> 00:57:14,290
to this non material realm of knowledge

1405
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,870
and when we get back here we feel like

1406
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:18,880
we learned something but it tends to get

1407
00:57:22,650 --> 00:57:21,280
quite slippery whoever wants to take

1408
00:57:25,290 --> 00:57:22,660
this one what can you tell us about

1409
00:57:27,330 --> 00:57:25,300
maybe your mapping of the spiritual

1410
00:57:29,010 --> 00:57:27,340
dimension and the best way to interact

1411
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:29,020
with it and get the most out of

1412
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:30,770
exploring it

1413
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:33,730
well I'll begin with that if I may Niles

1414
00:57:40,750 --> 00:57:37,130
again I would say with great respect is

1415
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:40,760
an initiatory journey that takes many

1416
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:43,810
decades to fully understand and embrace

1417
00:57:50,550 --> 00:57:47,510
my own understanding of the initiative

1418
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:50,560
structure is that it equips people to

1419
00:57:56,579 --> 00:57:54,050
explore different realms it does many

1420
00:57:58,829 --> 00:57:56,589
things but that's one of them for the

1421
00:58:02,589 --> 00:57:58,839
probationer as you might say or the

1422
00:58:06,099 --> 00:58:02,599
neophyte the newcomer the neo new fight

1423
00:58:09,010 --> 00:58:06,109
growth or plant for the new person on a

1424
00:58:10,329 --> 00:58:09,020
path and by a new I don't mean someone

1425
00:58:12,070 --> 00:58:10,339
who's just begun it I mean that's where

1426
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:12,080
their understanding is so I mean many

1427
00:58:16,089 --> 00:58:13,970
people say oh yes I've been on this path

1428
00:58:18,250 --> 00:58:16,099
for 75 years now I've been doing this

1429
00:58:20,890 --> 00:58:18,260
way before you were born and they're a

1430
00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:20,900
complete and there are more on

1431
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:22,550
through choice not because they're ill

1432
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:24,290
equipped but because they've found that

1433
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:28,670
there is sanctuary in the escape of the

1434
00:58:33,370 --> 00:58:31,250
new age which is what most people stop

1435
00:58:35,620 --> 00:58:33,380
at you know seven steps to happiness and

1436
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:35,630
all that kind of thing but for the

1437
00:58:43,050 --> 00:58:38,330
person who is seriously interested they

1438
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:43,060
see the real strength real power and the

1439
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:46,130
lucidity necessary to explore the other

1440
00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:49,760
let's say dimensions of reality comes

1441
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:53,030
through their own transformation so the

1442
00:59:00,490 --> 00:58:55,730
old mental structures the old emotional

1443
00:59:03,460 --> 00:59:00,500
shutdown cannot transport one into the

1444
00:59:06,220 --> 00:59:03,470
fourth fifth sixth seventh dimensions as

1445
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:06,230
you might say you can't do it so your

1446
00:59:11,470 --> 00:59:09,170
vessel for the reception of divinity and

1447
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:11,480
your vessel for your own transportation

1448
00:59:16,839 --> 00:59:14,510
through different realms is your mind

1449
00:59:19,060 --> 00:59:16,849
and your heart and if you can find

1450
00:59:22,089 --> 00:59:19,070
equilibrium then you can do a lot of

1451
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:22,099
stuff I would say that took me about 20

1452
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:25,310
years of work from about the age of 20

1453
00:59:32,820 --> 00:59:29,330
to about the age of 40 to achieve a

1454
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:32,830
level of equilibrium that has a decent

1455
00:59:38,829 --> 00:59:35,570
consistency so I was a great guy at one

1456
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:38,839
a I'm a great guy today at 45 thank you

1457
00:59:44,589 --> 00:59:41,839
very much to me I bought the bit in the

1458
00:59:47,230 --> 00:59:44,599
middle is about the consistency of that

1459
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,240
equilibrium so when I meet a gray adept

1460
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:49,760
a great woman of substance a great man

1461
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:53,410
of substance what stands out is the

1462
00:59:58,329 --> 00:59:55,810
embodiment of that equilibrium a

1463
01:00:01,480 --> 00:59:58,339
tremendous power and I'd say just in

1464
01:00:04,620 --> 01:00:01,490
modern cultural terms it's like the

1465
01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:04,630
source of real life Jedi Master a real

1466
01:00:10,859 --> 01:00:07,750
supreme woman who stands there with this

1467
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:10,869
delicious sort of combination of

1468
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:13,490
ultimate humbleness and humility and

1469
01:00:20,050 --> 01:00:17,119
gentleness and yet this total ferocious

1470
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:20,060
power that's just there at the click of

1471
01:00:26,980 --> 01:00:23,839
the fingers and they sit in equilibrium

1472
01:00:28,690 --> 01:00:26,990
from one moment to the next one of the

1473
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:28,700
precepts in my work that achieves the

1474
01:00:35,230 --> 01:00:31,520
supernal path is that power flows into

1475
01:00:37,780 --> 01:00:35,240
equilibrium in the same way that some

1476
01:00:39,550 --> 01:00:37,790
light falls upon us you need to know how

1477
01:00:42,070 --> 01:00:39,560
to harvest it to do something with it

1478
01:00:43,690 --> 01:00:42,080
the plants know how to harvest it they

1479
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:43,700
know what to do with sunlight and they

1480
01:00:49,450 --> 01:00:46,210
can produce extraordinary things from it

1481
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:49,460
we're learning that sunlight can power

1482
01:00:54,820 --> 01:00:52,640
our world heat it cool it make things

1483
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:54,830
destroy things burn things bring things

1484
01:00:59,339 --> 01:00:55,490
back to life

1485
01:01:02,020 --> 01:00:59,349
and in a similar way if you see the

1486
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:02,030
divinity is an emanation through that

1487
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:04,970
light you can learn to do things with it

1488
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:07,849
and one of those things is you can use

1489
01:01:13,690 --> 01:01:11,359
that light as a mechanism to transport

1490
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:13,700
consciousness through different

1491
01:01:18,339 --> 01:01:15,650
frequencies let's just call them

1492
01:01:20,260 --> 01:01:18,349
dimensions whether that's frequency or

1493
01:01:22,990 --> 01:01:20,270
spatial or temporal we won't worry about

1494
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:23,000
that let's just say all the worlds white

1495
01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:26,480
is key to that and light can be used as

1496
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:29,990
a vessel a set of coordinates to move

1497
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:31,849
consciousness from one place to another

1498
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:34,640
but you must have equilibrium to

1499
01:01:38,910 --> 01:01:37,070
maintain that light vessel so it's like

1500
01:01:41,509 --> 01:01:38,920
astral projection remote viewing

1501
01:01:44,329 --> 01:01:41,519
everyone to some extent as

1502
01:01:45,859 --> 01:01:44,339
spasms and spontaneous episodes of that

1503
01:01:48,469 --> 01:01:45,869
through life just like we all have

1504
01:01:50,989 --> 01:01:48,479
moments of clairvoyance and seeing

1505
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,999
deeper but they're not consistent

1506
01:01:55,519 --> 01:01:52,799
because we don't have equilibrium in

1507
01:01:57,979 --> 01:01:55,529
mind and heart and so the equilibrium is

1508
01:02:00,079 --> 01:01:57,989
just a demonstration to the creator's to

1509
01:02:02,539 --> 01:02:00,089
say hey look I'm good enough to do this

1510
01:02:04,669 --> 01:02:02,549
now and he's like well you are

1511
01:02:07,459 --> 01:02:04,679
you've proven it well done here's the

1512
01:02:10,609 --> 01:02:07,469
power so it flows into it all by itself

1513
01:02:13,669 --> 01:02:10,619
and the failsafe of it not flowing there

1514
01:02:15,409 --> 01:02:13,679
is bill in as well that if somebody

1515
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:15,419
doesn't have equilibrium the mind is

1516
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:17,609
disturbed or the heart is shut down or

1517
01:02:24,859 --> 01:02:20,640
to open which is just as ridiculous if

1518
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:24,869
you can't maintain a good aperture for

1519
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:28,559
mind a good aperture for heart know when

1520
01:02:32,139 --> 01:02:30,630
to open know when to close know when to

1521
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,149
have a little bit no one so have a lot

1522
01:02:36,919 --> 01:02:34,559
you're not demonstrating what is

1523
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:36,929
necessary to have that power so why

1524
01:02:42,469 --> 01:02:39,599
would the Creator grant you the power to

1525
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:42,479
change his creation or even explore it

1526
01:02:48,529 --> 01:02:45,630
if you've not demonstrated your fitness

1527
01:02:51,739 --> 01:02:48,539
as a human being so to me again its

1528
01:02:54,109 --> 01:02:51,749
ultimate equilibrium ultimate equality

1529
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,119
open to everybody the choice is yours

1530
01:02:59,149 --> 01:02:56,880
but there's no conjurations there's no

1531
01:03:01,809 --> 01:02:59,159
spells there's no incantations that can

1532
01:03:04,009 --> 01:03:01,819
short-circuit that as we've said the

1533
01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:04,019
entheogens the psychedelics the plant

1534
01:03:09,949 --> 01:03:07,849
medicines can certainly symbolize depict

1535
01:03:13,129 --> 01:03:09,959
demonstrate show you can go on a

1536
01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:13,139
vacation go to ha Wow holy crap that's

1537
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:15,209
important and that can be a little

1538
01:03:21,649 --> 01:03:18,809
cracking the old nonsense of mind this

1539
01:03:25,069 --> 01:03:21,659
essential just like in the quasi

1540
01:03:27,439 --> 01:03:25,079
fictional Castaneda novels Don Juan says

1541
01:03:31,399 --> 01:03:27,449
to Castaneda you don't need to use the

1542
01:03:33,229 --> 01:03:31,409
taxes or if you persist in being this

1543
01:03:34,819 --> 01:03:33,239
logical and rational we're gonna have to

1544
01:03:37,219 --> 01:03:34,829
rattle you a bit because it's actually

1545
01:03:39,169 --> 01:03:37,229
the self you've created is getting in

1546
01:03:41,870 --> 01:03:39,179
the way of reality and in the end he has

1547
01:03:44,689 --> 01:03:41,880
to administer the plant medicine to

1548
01:03:48,109 --> 01:03:44,699
Caston Aidid to help him stop blocking

1549
01:03:51,739 --> 01:03:48,119
reality with self so they certainly have

1550
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:51,749
a role to play but you can do it 100%

1551
01:03:55,260 --> 01:03:53,440
organic with nothing

1552
01:03:57,660 --> 01:03:55,270
from your own Hughes the word to get in

1553
01:04:00,450 --> 01:03:57,670
your own endogenous chemistry for sure

1554
01:04:02,460 --> 01:04:00,460
mm-hmm and it really is all about your

1555
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:02,470
attainment level right because how much

1556
01:04:05,790 --> 01:04:03,760
you know and how much you've actually

1557
01:04:08,010 --> 01:04:05,800
developed self and translated yourself

1558
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:08,020
internally with that kind of inner fire

1559
01:04:11,970 --> 01:04:09,849
for change is how much you're going to

1560
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:11,980
get out of an experience shown back at

1561
01:04:16,220 --> 01:04:14,530
you so like Neil said if your ego is

1562
01:04:19,230 --> 01:04:16,230
just out of whack or if you're just

1563
01:04:21,870 --> 01:04:19,240
somebody that's on stage talking

1564
01:04:23,940 --> 01:04:21,880
and not really actually doing stuff to

1565
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:23,950
develop yourself you're not actually in

1566
01:04:29,490 --> 01:04:27,310
search of doing what is truly authentic

1567
01:04:32,730 --> 01:04:29,500
in terms of a real spiritual development

1568
01:04:35,099 --> 01:04:32,740
or walking the yellow path alchemical

1569
01:04:37,770 --> 01:04:35,109
inner transformation or transmutation I

1570
01:04:39,660 --> 01:04:37,780
mean ultimately you can't fill a vessel

1571
01:04:41,460 --> 01:04:39,670
with spiritual light if they're a

1572
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:41,470
dumbass right so it's like you get back

1573
01:04:46,530 --> 01:04:43,569
what you put in divine light is

1574
01:04:49,020 --> 01:04:46,540
ultimately for that gnosis from the

1575
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:49,030
divine is ultimately you've seeing more

1576
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:50,650
of your higher self and being able to

1577
01:04:53,849 --> 01:04:51,970
access your higher self which is a

1578
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:53,859
spiritual guide that is not something

1579
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,690
outside of you but it's a way of

1580
01:04:58,770 --> 01:04:57,520
embracing and then connecting up to your

1581
01:05:00,750 --> 01:04:58,780
higher self which is you know this

1582
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:00,760
noncorporeal higher vibrational density

1583
01:05:05,370 --> 01:05:03,490
and I would up one thing today again if

1584
01:05:07,740 --> 01:05:05,380
I may I also keep saying things that

1585
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:07,750
keep making me think of other things so

1586
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:10,210
just interrupt me and tell me to shut up

1587
01:05:13,859 --> 01:05:11,890
if we're going off the page too much

1588
01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:13,869
book that's all good thank you this

1589
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:15,240
might be of interest to your listeners

1590
01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:18,010
on that point that now is making it

1591
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:19,569
makes me realize that when we are

1592
01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:22,329
talking about going back to your

1593
01:05:27,569 --> 01:05:25,030
original question Greg people are

1594
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:27,579
transmissions they are downloads from

1595
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:29,920
the magical realms you know somebody

1596
01:05:34,829 --> 01:05:31,450
somewhere some intelligence some

1597
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:34,839
dimension and whether it's Nikola Tesla

1598
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:35,530
or bloody

1599
01:05:43,319 --> 01:05:40,450
Joseph Smith or Jacob Alma or Emanuel

1600
01:05:45,390 --> 01:05:43,329
Swedenborg they go out somewhere into a

1601
01:05:46,980 --> 01:05:45,400
bloody forest or something and they have

1602
01:05:48,589 --> 01:05:46,990
a vision they have an experience had

1603
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:48,599
download or something like that and

1604
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:52,930
people email me every day and say how

1605
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:54,490
can I tell the difference between

1606
01:05:59,400 --> 01:05:57,280
someone who really has had that happen

1607
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,410
to them today

1608
01:06:04,049 --> 01:06:01,359
and talks about it and someone who

1609
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:04,059
claims that's happened and talks about

1610
01:06:06,930 --> 01:06:05,680
it and I can't tell the difference how

1611
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:06,940
is that how can we tell the difference

1612
01:06:12,809 --> 01:06:10,000
between the real deal and the charlatan

1613
01:06:17,250 --> 01:06:12,819
and there's a very very simple answer to

1614
01:06:20,099 --> 01:06:17,260
that which is embodiment that doesn't

1615
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,109
happen as now said to draw masses to

1616
01:06:24,329 --> 01:06:22,480
stupid people so if you see a webpage

1617
01:06:26,609 --> 01:06:24,339
that says here is the great so-and-so

1618
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:26,619
and they have the transmission and the

1619
01:06:31,770 --> 01:06:30,010
channeling this magnificent entity and

1620
01:06:33,539 --> 01:06:31,780
there's this extraordinary information

1621
01:06:35,849 --> 01:06:33,549
come in and you can sit before this man

1622
01:06:37,890 --> 01:06:35,859
or sit before this woman he will channel

1623
01:06:40,260 --> 01:06:37,900
and show you and share their vision or

1624
01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:40,270
whatever and pay them a lot of money pay

1625
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:42,190
the money and all this and you say wow

1626
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:45,039
that's quite a claim immediately for me

1627
01:06:48,750 --> 01:06:46,089
that would be a bit of a red flag

1628
01:06:51,870 --> 01:06:48,760
because channel material generally is

1629
01:06:52,980 --> 01:06:51,880
for the individual period the second

1630
01:06:54,180 --> 01:06:52,990
thing I would say is all right well

1631
01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:54,190
let's give them the benefit of the doubt

1632
01:06:59,549 --> 01:06:56,230
it might be an extraordinary set of

1633
01:07:01,650 --> 01:06:59,559
circumstances where transmission to a

1634
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:01,660
wider audience is appropriate let's take

1635
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:03,970
a look at that go and look at the person

1636
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:05,890
look at the man look at the woman if

1637
01:07:11,069 --> 01:07:08,410
they are a person of substance in

1638
01:07:14,130 --> 01:07:11,079
equilibrium then keep listening see

1639
01:07:18,180 --> 01:07:14,140
Wells is interesting if they're not it's

1640
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:18,190
garbage because goodness and infirmities

1641
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:19,599
and goodness is often spelled with a

1642
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:22,450
capital G and it indicates an element of

1643
01:07:29,130 --> 01:07:25,510
divinity divinity doesn't flow it's

1644
01:07:32,460 --> 01:07:29,140
knowledge its gnosis insert

1645
01:07:35,849 --> 01:07:32,470
disequilibrium I a douchebag people it

1646
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:35,859
doesn't do it so that's the plain thing

1647
01:07:40,829 --> 01:07:38,559
look at the channel look at the man look

1648
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:40,839
at the woman are they somebody of great

1649
01:07:45,930 --> 01:07:42,880
substance and excellence they don't have

1650
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:45,940
to be the wisest on the

1651
01:07:50,940 --> 01:07:47,920
planet they just have to be somebody

1652
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:50,950
where you can feel this guy is good this

1653
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:53,920
woman just feels good I can tell I can

1654
01:07:58,019 --> 01:07:55,210
feel it I'm not dreaming

1655
01:08:00,569 --> 01:07:58,029
I'm not fantasizing I'm not live-action

1656
01:08:03,660 --> 01:08:00,579
role-playing this is the real deal I can

1657
01:08:05,609 --> 01:08:03,670
feel it a mile off as I say one row at

1658
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:05,619
the occasion in my life on a dozen

1659
01:08:11,849 --> 01:08:08,470
occasions perhaps to sit in the presence

1660
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:11,859
of a man or a woman who have great adept

1661
01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:12,880
hood

1662
01:08:16,919 --> 01:08:14,710
their attainment I can feel it a mile

1663
01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:16,929
off the way I would describe that

1664
01:08:24,059 --> 01:08:20,710
feeling is graceful power it's very very

1665
01:08:27,809 --> 01:08:24,069
understated but it's very very potent

1666
01:08:29,999 --> 01:08:27,819
and that's to me is unmistakable almost

1667
01:08:32,579 --> 01:08:30,009
like a parallel would be sexual

1668
01:08:34,019 --> 01:08:32,589
attraction you can't it it's

1669
01:08:36,990 --> 01:08:34,029
either there or it's not

1670
01:08:39,809 --> 01:08:37,000
he can't pretend it it's a very chemical

1671
01:08:41,579 --> 01:08:39,819
reaction i when I've sat occasionally

1672
01:08:42,749 --> 01:08:41,589
with channels where somebody said come

1673
01:08:45,450 --> 01:08:42,759
and look at this woman come a look at

1674
01:08:48,629 --> 01:08:45,460
this guy it's always been

1675
01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:48,639
always again it's going back to the

1676
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:51,540
individual saying be your own authority

1677
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:54,250
don't take anybody else's word for it

1678
01:09:00,269 --> 01:08:57,730
don't fall for the fancy webpages and

1679
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:00,279
the posters and their testimonials from

1680
01:09:05,010 --> 01:09:03,250
other retards go and sit with the person

1681
01:09:06,990 --> 01:09:05,020
give them the benefit of the doubt if

1682
01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:07,000
you feel strongly about it and look at

1683
01:09:11,579 --> 01:09:09,460
the person forget the knowledge forget

1684
01:09:13,410 --> 01:09:11,589
the date of transmission examine the

1685
01:09:16,740 --> 01:09:13,420
individual and everything is crystal

1686
01:09:18,539 --> 01:09:16,750
clear it's also a dynamic to where in

1687
01:09:21,090 --> 01:09:18,549
the film you know show people that are

1688
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:21,100
at some stage of this and starting to

1689
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:23,770
actually really be excellent and many of

1690
01:09:27,599 --> 01:09:26,290
them aren't very high-profile put

1691
01:09:29,879 --> 01:09:27,609
themselves out there a lot of people

1692
01:09:31,559 --> 01:09:29,889
they're very somebody that you might see

1693
01:09:33,660 --> 01:09:31,569
and they might be somewhat in obscurity

1694
01:09:35,879 --> 01:09:33,670
right so we see people purposed in what

1695
01:09:37,950 --> 01:09:35,889
we did because you find wisdom and

1696
01:09:40,559 --> 01:09:37,960
excellence in very unexpected places a

1697
01:09:42,499 --> 01:09:40,569
lot of the times so much of this is so

1698
01:09:44,970 --> 01:09:42,509
esoteric that it's for you and it's only

1699
01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:44,980
packable to you and at some point in

1700
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:46,600
your journey you will start sharing with

1701
01:09:50,459 --> 01:09:48,370
others and help influencing others but

1702
01:09:52,919 --> 01:09:50,469
we see a lot of people don't we on

1703
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:52,929
various places that are trying to sell

1704
01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:54,850
you things and they've got headsets on

1705
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:57,310
and they're trying to promote massive

1706
01:10:00,510 --> 01:09:58,960
things and get huge sales for stuff

1707
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:00,520
which is again we all need to promote

1708
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:02,050
our material but you know what I mean

1709
01:10:06,090 --> 01:10:04,570
it's very much about do you actually see

1710
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:06,100
this person doing excellent things in

1711
01:10:09,330 --> 01:10:07,570
their life or is their life a mess and

1712
01:10:13,229 --> 01:10:09,340
they're just trying to increase their

1713
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:13,239
social networking numbers mmm yeah well

1714
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:16,239
said and indeed discernment is important

1715
01:10:19,950 --> 01:10:18,159
and of course everybody thinks their

1716
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:19,960
detector is on point but

1717
01:10:25,230 --> 01:10:22,960
sometimes I'm not so sure it's best yeah

1718
01:10:27,630 --> 01:10:25,240
of course if we work on ourselves we can

1719
01:10:30,030 --> 01:10:27,640
move that barometer and I love exploring

1720
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:30,040
the mechanisms of reality that help us

1721
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:33,010
to understand how the impossible can be

1722
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:34,930
quite natural even when it's rare and

1723
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,510
Neil what you said I think gets us

1724
01:10:42,900 --> 01:10:39,280
closer to understanding that for sure

1725
01:10:45,060 --> 01:10:42,910
and guys this has been a lot of fun

1726
01:10:48,060 --> 01:10:45,070
let's take a minute to remind people

1727
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:48,070
about transmutation where to watch it as

1728
01:10:52,620 --> 01:10:51,130
well as any other links or projects that

1729
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:52,630
you think people should know about

1730
01:10:56,690 --> 01:10:56,050
before we close this down so I'll go

1731
01:11:00,690 --> 01:10:56,700
first

1732
01:11:02,940 --> 01:11:00,700
transmutation film calm you can rent it

1733
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:02,950
there or if you clever you'll buy it so

1734
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:04,570
you can download it and own it forever

1735
01:11:07,980 --> 01:11:06,490
and watch it 50 million times because

1736
01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:07,990
there's so many interesting things to

1737
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:10,750
look at transmutation of film comm for

1738
01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:14,310
me Neil Kramer calm everything's there

1739
01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:16,270
yeah and I can be found at Niles

1740
01:11:20,820 --> 01:11:19,390
hepn.com as well and it's just I want to

1741
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:20,830
compliment you Greg on this program it's

1742
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:22,930
been just an absolute great show and

1743
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:24,070
I've really enjoyed it it's been an

1744
01:11:27,570 --> 01:11:26,050
honor to be a part of it and thank you

1745
01:11:29,670 --> 01:11:27,580
for giving us a time to just kind of

1746
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:29,680
share some insights on it obviously it's

1747
01:11:33,090 --> 01:11:31,450
beautiful to not just try and sell a

1748
01:11:34,830 --> 01:11:33,100
project on into conversation but have

1749
01:11:37,260 --> 01:11:34,840
just a fantastic conversation or a

1750
01:11:39,300 --> 01:11:37,270
project that inspires such informative

1751
01:11:40,620 --> 01:11:39,310
discussion that I think it's always nice

1752
01:11:42,210 --> 01:11:40,630
if we have these conversations when

1753
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:42,220
again you kind of get energy and feel

1754
01:11:46,050 --> 01:11:44,410
jazz after them instead of talking to

1755
01:11:47,010 --> 01:11:46,060
somebody that's just kind of so bland

1756
01:11:49,710 --> 01:11:47,020
and dreary

1757
01:11:51,450 --> 01:11:49,720
so I'm Cheers here's to your show yes

1758
01:11:53,190 --> 01:11:51,460
thank you now see thank you Greg for

1759
01:11:55,380 --> 01:11:53,200
allowing us to do that and me and now

1760
01:11:56,970 --> 01:11:55,390
you know yeah we want people to buy it

1761
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:56,980
and enjoy it for sure but we don't want

1762
01:12:01,770 --> 01:11:58,960
to just be selling it all the

1763
01:12:03,780 --> 01:12:01,780
time so thanks for stimulating us to

1764
01:12:05,850 --> 01:12:03,790
have a broader and better conversation

1765
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:05,860
thank you Greg yeah guys I really

1766
01:12:13,710 --> 01:12:07,690
appreciate it I just largely stay out of

1767
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:13,720
the way it's all you but you do a lot

1768
01:12:18,660 --> 01:12:16,330
yeah Greg I do need to compliment you on

1769
01:12:20,220 --> 01:12:18,670
you are a very excellent interviewer and

1770
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:20,230
I know that you can know that but it's

1771
01:12:24,270 --> 01:12:22,090
very rare to find somebody that's such a

1772
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:24,280
good interviewer is you so I think this

1773
01:12:27,690 --> 01:12:25,810
is part of our path isn't it where we

1774
01:12:29,250 --> 01:12:27,700
kind of follow the breadcrumbs and it's

1775
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:29,260
like ripples in the pond where you find

1776
01:12:32,220 --> 01:12:30,430
what you're good at and you feel the

1777
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:32,230
call to something and it's obvious that

1778
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,930
you are very inherently good at doing

1779
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:36,640
what you're doing now and I'm sure that

1780
01:12:38,710 --> 01:12:38,080
there's many things that will continue

1781
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:38,720
to happen for

1782
01:12:43,450 --> 01:12:41,210
as you open up gateways but it's great

1783
01:12:44,830 --> 01:12:43,460
to see you doing you and getting some

1784
01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:44,840
fulfillment out of it and being

1785
01:12:48,970 --> 01:12:46,910
something that at least is helping you

1786
01:12:50,350 --> 01:12:48,980
along your path ever so slightly so

1787
01:12:53,170 --> 01:12:50,360
that's a beautiful thing it's great to

1788
01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:53,180
see well I appreciate it and this really

1789
01:12:57,790 --> 01:12:55,760
has been awesome Niles it was great to

1790
01:12:59,650 --> 01:12:57,800
get to know you a little bit Neal it was

1791
01:13:02,860 --> 01:12:59,660
great to have you back thank you of

1792
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:02,870
course I think transmutation is an

1793
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:05,510
excellent film for anyone out there who

1794
01:13:11,710 --> 01:13:09,890
is looking for that inspiration to kind

1795
01:13:13,390 --> 01:13:11,720
of get out of the rat race and jump to

1796
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:13,400
that next step of personal

1797
01:13:16,810 --> 01:13:15,410
transformation and who isn't right we

1798
01:13:18,670 --> 01:13:16,820
should all be looking for that so I

1799
01:13:20,770 --> 01:13:18,680
appreciate you both coming on keep

1800
01:13:21,970 --> 01:13:20,780
poking holes in the Empire's game and

1801
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:21,980
lightening the masses to better

1802
01:13:27,190 --> 01:13:24,170
themselves and take care out there long

1803
01:13:31,060 --> 01:13:27,200
may you shine dude absolutely that is

1804
01:13:34,900 --> 01:13:31,070
how we do it guys a rare THC twofer very

1805
01:13:38,020 --> 01:13:34,910
rare Neal and Niles great dudes I think

1806
01:13:40,810 --> 01:13:38,030
we pull it off both of them are really

1807
01:13:42,250 --> 01:13:40,820
interesting and well-spoken guys and I

1808
01:13:44,650 --> 01:13:42,260
hope this one is a bit of an inspiration

1809
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:44,660
to people may be a catalyst for that

1810
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:46,850
point of action some of you might have

1811
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:49,010
been putting off I know that's how it

1812
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:51,440
was for me and what a great show to

1813
01:13:56,410 --> 01:13:53,450
manifest itself just before the

1814
01:13:58,570 --> 01:13:56,420
four-year anniversary of THC plus yeah

1815
01:14:00,280 --> 01:13:58,580
four years is not number to highlight

1816
01:14:02,860 --> 01:14:00,290
but we're going through the first major

1817
01:14:05,650 --> 01:14:02,870
change since plus started which was the

1818
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:05,660
first major change overall so for me it

1819
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:07,730
is a big deal lots of twisted up

1820
01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:10,010
feelings about it but I'm really just

1821
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:13,070
one of the luckiest people I know to do

1822
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:15,770
what I do here for a living even when

1823
01:14:20,590 --> 01:14:18,050
there are rough moments that's just life

1824
01:14:23,020 --> 01:14:20,600
it's not like some other choice would

1825
01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:23,030
have yielded zero stressful situations

1826
01:14:29,230 --> 01:14:27,110
and so few shows really are about me at

1827
01:14:32,140 --> 01:14:29,240
all it's always about what's going on in

1828
01:14:34,810 --> 01:14:32,150
the world but the number of emails I get

1829
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,820
from people that are like hey your story

1830
01:14:39,340 --> 01:14:37,040
has been inspirational I mean they're

1831
01:14:41,050 --> 01:14:39,350
off the charts they're the biggest group

1832
01:14:43,570 --> 01:14:41,060
of emails I get as people who've just

1833
01:14:46,780 --> 01:14:43,580
been like hey I've listened for six

1834
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:46,790
years I saw this whole thing happen

1835
01:14:52,629 --> 01:14:50,090
before my eyes and that to me is an

1836
01:14:53,890 --> 01:14:52,639
inspiration because like I've said

1837
01:14:55,810 --> 01:14:53,900
it's easy to look at people who have

1838
01:14:57,939 --> 01:14:55,820
made it and be like oh well you had this

1839
01:14:59,680 --> 01:14:57,949
component that I don't have so it's not

1840
01:15:02,770 --> 01:14:59,690
gonna work for me or you had rich

1841
01:15:06,189 --> 01:15:02,780
parents or you had this and if you saw

1842
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:06,199
me I pretty much had nothing but the

1843
01:15:14,290 --> 01:15:09,710
will and the dedication really did not

1844
01:15:16,300 --> 01:15:14,300
stop get better and don't stop that's

1845
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:16,310
another thing is I think people in their

1846
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:18,880
heads get this idea of their perfect

1847
01:15:24,370 --> 01:15:22,159
situation down the road but it's those

1848
01:15:26,169 --> 01:15:24,380
first steps to getting there that are

1849
01:15:29,050 --> 01:15:26,179
the hardest to take and it's like don't

1850
01:15:32,890 --> 01:15:29,060
look for perfection from day one just

1851
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:32,900
look for constant progress but I tend to

1852
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:35,330
call the ten years in retail my lost

1853
01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:37,610
decade and that is just how long I

1854
01:15:41,950 --> 01:15:39,710
hemmed and hawed and bitched out and

1855
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:41,960
didn't commit and all those things that

1856
01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:46,010
we do that get in our own way so yeah

1857
01:15:51,070 --> 01:15:47,750
for as well as it's going now I did

1858
01:15:53,740 --> 01:15:51,080
stall for ten years I know that struggle

1859
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:53,750
so I hope this was impactful because I

1860
01:15:57,660 --> 01:15:55,130
think back to what I would have wanted

1861
01:16:00,850 --> 01:15:57,670
to hear then this is pretty much it

1862
01:16:03,220 --> 01:16:00,860
there does seem to be knowledge embedded

1863
01:16:04,930 --> 01:16:03,230
in nature embedded in the ones and zeros

1864
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:04,940
that will sort of hold your hand through

1865
01:16:11,290 --> 01:16:07,760
the process or show you you can make it

1866
01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:11,300
by at least in part giving you a sense

1867
01:16:15,250 --> 01:16:13,510
of separation between the economic

1868
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:15,260
rockefeller rothschild

1869
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:17,679
rat race of man and the more natural

1870
01:16:23,950 --> 01:16:22,070
mystic world as neil might say and i

1871
01:16:26,649 --> 01:16:23,960
really think you can separate those two

1872
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:26,659
and get a much more inspiring message

1873
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:28,850
from that suppressed natural world

1874
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:30,560
that's just kind of whispering its

1875
01:16:34,959 --> 01:16:32,650
lessons out to you if you're listening

1876
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:34,969
because if you listen to those natural

1877
01:16:40,450 --> 01:16:36,800
lessons they really did make me feel

1878
01:16:42,459 --> 01:16:40,460
like oh i did actually show up here for

1879
01:16:44,979 --> 01:16:42,469
a reason there is a point to life and I

1880
01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:44,989
think I'm here to succeed I actually

1881
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:47,630
want to leave a mark of some kind and

1882
01:16:52,330 --> 01:16:50,330
enjoy this experience and if you get

1883
01:16:54,490 --> 01:16:52,340
sucked up in the anxiety and pressure

1884
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:54,500
from the big machine and it's acolytes

1885
01:16:59,410 --> 01:16:57,770
and the materialist worldview you can

1886
01:17:01,780 --> 01:16:59,420
come away feeling pretty insignificant

1887
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:01,790
and that you better just get in line and

1888
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:03,530
shut up because it's better than being

1889
01:17:07,450 --> 01:17:06,050
crushed and any fool

1890
01:17:10,390 --> 01:17:07,460
aasif II is better than thinking like

1891
01:17:12,729 --> 01:17:10,400
that right but it's a great topic to

1892
01:17:15,220 --> 01:17:12,739
cover because a lot of people do ask me

1893
01:17:18,069 --> 01:17:15,230
to find more shows about solutions and

1894
01:17:19,810 --> 01:17:18,079
it's great to be positive but let's also

1895
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:19,820
be realistic and that the Big Machine

1896
01:17:25,390 --> 01:17:23,210
will probably always exist the Archon

1897
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:25,400
controlled Psychopaths will probably

1898
01:17:30,399 --> 01:17:27,530
always be skipping through the revolving

1899
01:17:32,530 --> 01:17:30,409
door of control we can talk about

1900
01:17:35,649 --> 01:17:32,540
suppressed technologies and lost

1901
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:35,659
permaculture practices like the biochar

1902
01:17:40,569 --> 01:17:38,719
process and engineering abundance and

1903
01:17:43,930 --> 01:17:40,579
what we would do if we could change the

1904
01:17:46,810 --> 01:17:43,940
entire chessboard but much of that if

1905
01:17:49,540 --> 01:17:46,820
we're talking nationwide scale or more

1906
01:17:51,609 --> 01:17:49,550
it's just hypothetical but a show about

1907
01:17:53,589 --> 01:17:51,619
being your best self and engaging with

1908
01:17:56,979 --> 01:17:53,599
the divine mysteries personally that's

1909
01:17:58,930 --> 01:17:56,989
absolutely something you can do and if

1910
01:18:01,390 --> 01:17:58,940
you end up being your best self you can

1911
01:18:03,450 --> 01:18:01,400
make huge positive impacts in the world

1912
01:18:06,819 --> 01:18:03,460
around you and not to be self-centered

1913
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:06,829
but isn't the world around you all that

1914
01:18:10,930 --> 01:18:08,960
kind of matters I mean without a TV or

1915
01:18:12,729 --> 01:18:10,940
without the internet you would not

1916
01:18:15,580 --> 01:18:12,739
really know what was going on beyond

1917
01:18:17,770 --> 01:18:15,590
your own sphere the world around you is

1918
01:18:20,799 --> 01:18:17,780
kind of all you have and if you can be

1919
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:20,809
someone in it who can say hey I figured

1920
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:23,210
this out for me I'm loving everything

1921
01:18:30,069 --> 01:18:27,290
right now I got my on lock what can

1922
01:18:32,830 --> 01:18:30,079
I help you with that's a really great

1923
01:18:34,899 --> 01:18:32,840
place to be I sometimes cite things that

1924
01:18:37,629 --> 01:18:34,909
Jordan Peterson has said and he talks

1925
01:18:39,790 --> 01:18:37,639
about working to be the reliable person

1926
01:18:42,939 --> 01:18:39,800
at a funeral did I bring that up in

1927
01:18:44,979 --> 01:18:42,949
today's show I'm not even sure but being

1928
01:18:47,770 --> 01:18:44,989
the reliable person at a funeral is just

1929
01:18:50,109 --> 01:18:47,780
another way to express that work on your

1930
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:50,119
self thing and a lot of this material

1931
01:18:55,330 --> 01:18:52,489
also reminds me of Gordon White's book

1932
01:18:57,850 --> 01:18:55,340
chaos protocols and his phrase become

1933
01:18:59,770 --> 01:18:57,860
invincible because once you see the

1934
01:19:01,600 --> 01:18:59,780
world behind the curtain you realize the

1935
01:19:06,030 --> 01:19:01,610
man-made world isn't the most important

1936
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:06,040
thing just a strange cultural layer of

1937
01:19:12,790 --> 01:19:11,570
smog and grease and muck and money and

1938
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:12,800
if you've had some out of the body

1939
01:19:19,780 --> 01:19:15,920
journeys I think you become way more

1940
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:19,790
open to risk way more willing to thrust

1941
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:22,210
to yourself into the story of life

1942
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:25,130
because it does feel less final when you

1943
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:26,690
meet a couple entities behind the

1944
01:19:32,710 --> 01:19:30,320
material veil either way both guests

1945
01:19:35,650 --> 01:19:32,720
today really cool guys I really liked

1946
01:19:37,810 --> 01:19:35,660
Niles input as well as Neal's I knew

1947
01:19:40,750 --> 01:19:37,820
much less about Niles going into this

1948
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:40,760
but I would love to see his shamans of

1949
01:19:46,540 --> 01:19:43,610
the global village become a real full

1950
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:46,550
season series there should be way more

1951
01:19:52,150 --> 01:19:50,000
many documentaries on specific shamanic

1952
01:19:54,970 --> 01:19:52,160
practices and shamans that can be

1953
01:19:58,180 --> 01:19:54,980
compared and contrasted I love the sound

1954
01:20:02,680 --> 01:19:58,190
of that I just love that Niles has

1955
01:20:05,950 --> 01:20:02,690
cultivated these filmography skills and

1956
01:20:08,740 --> 01:20:05,960
is applying them to such interesting

1957
01:20:10,990 --> 01:20:08,750
material stuff that I think people need

1958
01:20:12,970 --> 01:20:11,000
and if you're looking for more

1959
01:20:15,850 --> 01:20:12,980
inspiration check out their movie

1960
01:20:18,010 --> 01:20:15,860
transmutation and if you only listen to

1961
01:20:20,170 --> 01:20:18,020
the free first hour of the higher side

1962
01:20:23,380 --> 01:20:20,180
chats do sign up to hear the second

1963
01:20:26,500 --> 01:20:23,390
because my god was today a fun time it

1964
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:26,510
was like a crow show on steroids because

1965
01:20:32,410 --> 01:20:29,570
we got into Neal's thoughts about the

1966
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:32,420
construct and his analysis of the Sun

1967
01:20:38,620 --> 01:20:36,320
Moon matrix the Hollow Earth and a lot

1968
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:38,630
of deep level mysteries about the

1969
01:20:43,540 --> 01:20:40,880
construct in our environment itself and

1970
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,550
there were some compelling answers there

1971
01:20:47,860 --> 01:20:45,440
definitely my favorite thing from today

1972
01:20:49,540 --> 01:20:47,870
overall and I did not think we were

1973
01:20:51,100 --> 01:20:49,550
going to be talking about Sun Sol

1974
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:51,110
portals to somewhere else

1975
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:54,650
but here we are so in that Plus show

1976
01:21:00,040 --> 01:20:57,170
other than alternative spatial models

1977
01:21:02,980 --> 01:21:00,050
for the earth and the Sun is a portal we

1978
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:02,990
also talked about a view into cultures

1979
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:05,450
existing beyond the Empire's influence

1980
01:21:12,490 --> 01:21:09,440
and things like PMF wave avoidance and

1981
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:12,500
cellphone radiation I definitely think

1982
01:21:18,670 --> 01:21:15,770
there is meat on those bones and there

1983
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:18,680
were great topics to add to the pile of

1984
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:21,920
compelling things talked about today so

1985
01:21:26,860 --> 01:21:23,930
sign up for THC plus if you want to get

1986
01:21:30,610 --> 01:21:26,870
into that all-around great show sound

1987
01:21:33,370 --> 01:21:30,620
quality speakers ability content really

1988
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:33,380
happy with this one so big thanks to

1989
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:35,360
Nealon Niles obviously couldn't do it

1990
01:21:41,530 --> 01:21:38,810
with Adam very complementary to me way

1991
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,540
too kind but I really enjoyed it and I

1992
01:21:45,820 --> 01:21:43,760
hope you had a good time I've got two

1993
01:21:48,340 --> 01:21:45,830
more shows to serve you up before the

1994
01:21:50,649 --> 01:21:48,350
month ends and they too are shows I

1995
01:21:52,990 --> 01:21:50,659
think you're really gonna like but we'll

1996
01:21:54,430 --> 01:21:53,000
know for sure in a few days until then

1997
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I've done my part

1998
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:56,750
your move individual explorers of the

1999
01:22:00,580 --> 01:21:59,120
divine mysteries modern mystics breaking

2000
01:22:02,890 --> 01:22:00,590
out of the pre-approved paradigm and

2001
01:22:03,970 --> 01:22:02,900
escapers that be excruciatingly cog in

2002
01:22:16,689 --> 01:22:03,980
the wheel lifestyle

2003
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:16,699
you're oh no you see no random

2004
01:22:28,330 --> 01:22:20,800
it's attached to power strength control

2005
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:28,340
over everything 95 is trying to steal

2006
01:22:34,630 --> 01:22:32,170
yeah now I don't that job seemed silly

2007
01:22:40,670 --> 01:22:34,640
hello

2008
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can you hear me why should I play mad

2009
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:45,060
and some spy agency which we were

2010
01:22:49,469 --> 01:22:46,090
younger

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[Music]

2012
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I'll be thankful when expose the fancy

2013
01:23:13,490 --> 01:23:02,380
there's such a difference between us and

2014
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:32,050
[Music]

2015
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[Applause]

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[Music]

2017
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oh no they're cartoons it's so typical

2018
01:24:22,780 --> 01:24:14,280
of me to talk about the stuff I'm sorry

2019
01:24:26,990 --> 01:24:22,790
there's good and well did you ever hear

2020
01:24:27,820 --> 01:24:27,000
argument the nothing really happens it's

2021
01:24:32,660 --> 01:24:27,830
no secret

2022
01:24:35,370 --> 01:24:32,670
[Music]

2023
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it's done

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[Music]

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[Applause]